Ben Carson: "Gun control doesn't work for the crazies"

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Not mentally ill. Criminally insane. BIG difference!

Criminally insane is not a special disorder. It's a legal defense that simply means that the person did not know the act was wrong at the time they committed it, or could not tell the difference between right and wrong. It doesn't mean a raving axe murderer or something. It's just a defense and can be applied to lots of disorders or other mental issues.

You forgot to mention not everyone with a mental illness is criminally insane and the vast majority of crimes are committed by everyday folks without any disorders for a variety of reasons, anger and hatred being two prime motivations along with the acquisition of material things such as money or property, ie, when someone kills another hoping to collect on an insurance policy or inheritance. The vast majority of murders are committed in the hopes of gaining financially.

I didn't forget to mention it, it just had nothing to do with your misuse of the term criminally insane.

It's become a hallmark of Republicans - blaming violence on "the crazies" as of late but it's far from reality. Most of the violence is committed by people who are hoping to make money from it.

Your responses have nothing to do with the text you quoted.

Thats ok though. It doesn't matter. My point, if you decide to notice my original response to you and not go off on some other direction altogether, was to point out that criminally insane isn't a mental illness and it may not even be psychiatric or psychological but could be caused by a head injury etc, because it also includes "defect" as well as "illness".

Also, I'm a Democrat. Unless of course you say I'm not. Then of course, I must not be.

ETA: It's a legal defense and not a diagnosis. In fact, people have been declared not guilty because of it and been perfectly fine but had good lawyers. Also some who should have gotten it didn't. So "criminally insane" has nothing to do with mental health overall, only with the person's state of mind at the time they committed the crime. A doctor may declare that at the time they didn't know right from wrong, but that is not a diagnosis. When they are sentenced to the mental hospital instead of prison (after being found not guilty due to it) they are diagnosed with something else, but not "criminal insanity".

@OOM: This is contingent on the idea that we'd still rather trust human quick-draw skills...

Who is it that's blaming violence on "the crazies?" Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson as you are well aware and you also know he is the one I am referring to, along with certain other Republicans and their croonies in the media who refuse to acknowledge that any human can be violent regardless of their mental health. It is part of the human condition. They want to distance themselves from the problem but they are in fact very much part of it. All humans are and until they can face the monster within, very little will change. Quit blaming others and work on yourselves.

I am not "well aware" of that at all, except his name was mentioned in the subject line. I have never heard him nor seen him nor read anything about him. So no, I'm not "well aware" of it. Also, you aren't even addressing anything I said, you are just going all over the place with different points that have nothing to do with anything I said at all.

It doesn't matter. I have no desire to get into a long winded futile exchange with you while I'm trying to address a topic and you are going off on some seperate tangent that you suddenly decide I'm lying about or avoiding or whatever the hell it is you do, ad nauseum.

Go ahead, ramble on. You do know that people can see that you aren't addressing anything that people who are talking to you say though, don't you? You don't have to address it or anything, but folks can see that you aren't. I'm just sayin....

TLDR: What the f**k are you even talking about?

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Nobody cares about the real violence in this country that occurs every day in the streets in poor urban cities, it's only when white children die that action is demanded which is of course to the total disarmament of the American people at the hands of wannabe despots. The British tried to disarm us before the Revolution in order to subjugate us permanently, it was one of the major triggers and why it's in the constitution to begin with.

What's particularly annoying is Republicans will start in on "them crazies" while refusing to address the epidemic of violence in this country which is the real "crazy." In fact, those who are mentally ill are far more likely to be the victim of violence than to be the perpetrator.
There's too much violence in America and I challenge politicians to have the cajones to actually address the real issue instead of blaming the most vulnerable in society because they can get away with it. It's easy to pick on the mentally ill because no one's defending them and they are most often the worst off so target 'em.

What's your suggestion to stop the violence ?
Banning guns won't it'll just keep going with other weapons . How do you stop people from being violent before they do it without the ability to see the future ?

Then you haven't studied it very much.

Banning guns will just keep it going with guns. Maybe even more guns since the newly created black market will release more privately owned guns onto "the street" since thier market effectively enforce the ban.

Use the "war on drugs" as an example. Decades of attempting to effectively do anything with that and I can still drive a few miles from home and buy all the crystal meth I want will minimal risk of being caught.

Here is what people who say that more guns cause more violence don't get. When somebody is going to hurt you, whether to rob you or attack you or are just tweaked out and think you killed Elvis Costello, it doesn't matter. If he has a gun (or a knife - which you can't really defend against without a bigger weapon) and he is planning on violence, then violence is happening whether you want it to or think it's the answer or not. It will happen to you unless you do something to stop it right the f**k then.

Nobody is saying go around and be Billy Badass with your gun. It's to prevent yourself from being killed by drunkass or tweaked out or crazy f*****g BillyBobBullet that you need to carry one.

Let that s**t happen to you and you'll see. You can't always get away from it and when it happens it happens fast and right f*****g then. You have no time to reason with them or walk away when it's predatory violence. Other kinds, yes you can. But that kind, no you can't. Defend yourself or you will die or be hurt. Bottom line. It happens. It's not nice. Nice people don't do it. Nice people with guns don't shoot other people except in those situations.

The antigun people think it's simple. Don't carry a gun and you won't get shot at or nobody will try to hurt you. If that were true then the gun people would figure that out and not carry guns. Because not being hurt is kind of the goal of carrying a weapon. If not being armed prevented it, then smart people would not be armed. However, that is not the case and the real world does not work like you want it to or your ideals of how people are and your philosophy of the world and life. The other guy has a totally different philosophy and that is the one that counts right then because his philosophy is the one that will leave you leaking blood on the ground.

It's not what you think.

Grow up.

Believe the people who have been there. We have no reason to lie to you.

Shooting people is not fun.

With all the psychologists, sociologists, psychiatrists, politicians and assortment of think tanks in this country, surely they can come up with something.