i am legitimately scared about trump becoming president

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If a nun ran for a national public office without substantial experience, I would consider her to be vastly under-qualified.

On the other hand, it's not unusual to have vastly under-qualified senators and representatives.

Anyone can scroll back and see that you meant what I said you meant. All the sarcasm in the world cannot save you from reality.
Sanders has governing experience. So therefore you are implying that Sanders would be a better candidate then a nun. I agree! Sanders has the ethics of a nun but also has proven political abilities.

How is he a leftist exactly? I am just not seeing it....what policies/ideas of the left does he support? I suppose it is good they are wary of him, but It would be preferable if it was for a non-conspiracy theory reason like that he's got an ego bigger than his hair and that his immigration wall is preposterous especially getting mexico to pay for it, not 'well he might secretly be on the left', which seems doubtful at best.

Uhh considering he has been active in politics and social issues since probably before his graduating college, how do you figure he doesn't have substantial experience? And might I ask what more 'subtantial experience' do the likes of Trump have? hosting a reality show and being born into a lot of wealth?

What exactly do you consider substantial experience?

^^^ W O R D !

He reminds me of one of those people that can dish it out, but when its served to them whines the loudest.

Running several businesses into bankruptcy, and some failed marriages along with that?

Do you even own a gun? Also how exactly are the rights of gun owners being taken, when people are still allowed to own guns? Is it really that upsetting for gun owners that someone with a violent criminal record on their background check may be unable to leave with a gun? Do you really want a high power assault rifle that badly? I think even with any limits placed on guns people can buy, there should still be plenty to choose from.

Also where are these people taking every last one of your rights? I have yet to hear any democratic candidates call for a full ban of guns nor any calls to round up all the gun owners and strip them of their constitutional rights. I mean really what rights has Obama taken from you? Did you like Bushes patriot act better, give up freedoms in the name of fear or terrorism?

What is it that will happen if a democrat is elected that would make us better off with trump?

Trump has been tremendously successful as a businessman and took great initiative of his own, to say otherwise is just silly and repeating leftist memes. You do understand a business going bankrupt is different than personal bankruptcy, right? When you start/own hundreds of businesses some might not work out for any number of reasons, only 4 is not so bad. The Trump Organization has a 50% profit margin which should speak for itself. Warren Buffett and Bill Gates have had businesses file chapter 11 too, it happens. Atlantic City went belly up, gambling lost its novelty with most people having Indian casinos and state lotteries now close to home, nothing could of saved it.

No one doubts he has made plenty of money, but making money is not the same thing as experience. He had wealth handed to him, doubt he hasn't done a hard days work in his life. Great he's a wealthy buisiness man, which must mean he would do what is best for the citizens of this country and not some profit margin . He is out of touch with real life, living his pampered billionaire lifestyle, and pointing the finger at whoever he can.

And his latest presidental campaign add speaks for its self, is the left to be blamed for the stupidity expressed there as well?

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Yes like 1/3 or mor of the nation I own guns. For how much longer given the left's plans i dont know

And all the non violent people who get caught in the net for every bad guy it prob takes the rights of 4 innocents.
Why not just execute anyone accused of murder on the spot? Due process well that should go for gun owners too.

Really surprised to see you say that I'd thought you better. Assault rifles are full automatic and already banned. What the left is calling assault weapons are common simi auto rifles, handguns, shotguns. These are no more dangerous. And high powered lol the one they most go after uses the 5.56 which is considered by many to be weak round. High powered would be 50 bmg, .418,338 maybe 308, 3006. But then they don't know anything about firearms and just want to remove all guns so they can have more control over people.

Year we can have muskets yay. Hey raptor dox, which musket do you want? By the way muskets and other black powder aren't considered guns, violent felons can buy them just show id. Simiauto guns are the most bought, most used, most carried, most popular guns, the technology been around for over hundred years. You and the left would have us go back to technology of the 1860s f**k that. Even the left's biased polls show more people are against awb, and gun control is low on the list of Americans concerns. Most Americans don't want it and most don't care about gun control, millions of new gun owners are born every year. Tons and tons of people ran out after the terrorist and bought "assault weapons" and the permits to carry them. What's near the top u ask, economy and distrust of the government. Most Americans don't believe the government can keep them safe and as lots of police are telling people just that and buy guns, it makes sense.

Let's ban all heavy metal music, sure you love it, but there's still tons of pop music to choose from.

What lol Clinton and Obama have said they'd like to but it's not possible currently. Then look to states like California and New York , they keep chipping away bit by bit. One day all guns will be banned in thos states. It's never enough. Give the left ubc, they'll want a simi auto ban, give them that they want to restrict you to 16' then 10, then 7, then 1 round, after that they ban bolt action and level action guns as sniper rifles, no more hunting . The atf is the same way trying to ban types of ammo one at a time.

Well let's see he's taking the rights away from people on social security gleefully smiling as he says 75,000 people a year will lose their rights. Til what? Does ssa get 75,000 new people. A year or is his plan to eventually take away millions and millions of people's rights.


Obama just passed a more restrictive and worse patriot act, he just removed hipa, now your medical information isn't private and doctors can share it with anyone who asks. Because you can't just say hipa is invalid when it comes to guns, you have to make a back door that works for anyone.


Panama says we can't change out of fear of terrorism and then says we need to ban guns out of fear of terrorism and open,y admits none of this will stop any of the shootings.

Ban all cars and your save millions of people a year, if we declare marshal law and have curfews millions more will be saved, even more if we lock everyone up in individual cells. I mean isn't it worth it if it saves just one person?

By why stop there so much could be banned, so many rite removed that could possibly save one life. How many people committe suicide from being cyber and verbally bullied, so let's remove the freedom of speech. Thousands saved.


Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Freedom comes at great risk.

You're so willing to give up the rights and freedoms of others because it don't effect you.
When they come for your rights and freedoms who will stand up for you?

Same thing happen in nazi Germany. Why are people so easily divided and turn so easily on other humans. I support your right to smoke weed, yet you ignore and support violations of my rights. Want more on the right to support the rights you like then start supporting theirs. Don't be ok with restricting gun rights then be mad when gun owners don't support rights you like and think should be protected.

I dream of a world where all rights and freedoms are protected and where people support them so, regardless of if they agree or personally use them.

Most guns out ther now are what the antis consider assault weapons. And the term continues to expand and cover more and more guns. What is an assault weapon other then a made up term to mean whatever they want it to.

Take it to its word use it would be anything you use to assault someone.

Anyways why ban stuff that your polls say people don't want banned? Why piss off 52% of Americans? All you'll do is sell millions and millions more, just the talk of it and people run out and buy them. People who don't even own guns do because Americans don't like being told what they can't do. Look at when they banned alcohol, look at the drug war. Or when the left banned fatty food or soda, people,go out and buy it anyways even if it's illegal.

Also if democrats stopped supporting gun control they'd gain a s**t ton of votes and likely lose very few. It's a stupid party line that supports a very few powerful people's agenda

I never said I supported banning guns, but I see nothing wrong with reasonable regulations and background checks. And yeah guns are not on the top of my concerns, there is too much other stuff for me to obsess over if it plus I don't have one or want one really. I could care less if people have them or not....leave it up to voters is my opinion but its 2016 not the 1800s so there are going to be some regulations on them. It is likely there are people on the left that want to take things further, than I'd agree with so then I'd vote against policies that take it too far. The left isn't a collective mind you know, there are plenty of different opinions. If there are people on the left stretching the meaning of what assault rifle means that is certainly not something I am involved in...but again not a collective mind.

Also though aside from that i am not even arguing that the right to bear arms should be revoked, the heavy metal thing is also a bad comparison because it's music. I believe guns fall in the deadly weapons/should be handled with respect and used responsibly catagory....it would be kind of hard to kill someone with a heavy metal record. Though some people of what appears to be the socially conservative democrats have made multiple attempts to censor it because its satanic and corrupts their poor innocent youth or some BS, I imagine I would not get along with a socially conservative democrat.

I don't ever see where I said I was willing to give up rights or freedoms, in fact I am pretty sure I have expressed the opposite quite a few times on this forum. In fact its part of why I don't want a bigoted billionare reality show host for president anymore than I want the religious right to become more powerful let alone get a candidate of their choosing in. Right to bear arms is 1 right, I figure candidates threatening more than one right should be the current priority to keep out of office. The gun issue can be dealt with in time via voters. And its not as if the right is innocent of people within it wanting to limit peoples rights for control...the religious right wants to undo the legalization of gay marrige and impose other religious morality via legislation for instance, but should I accuse the entire right of supporting that kind of thing?

I still don't see who has said to ban guns across the bored, but one issue voters that only follow that issue for the most part keep accusing the entire left of this. Regulations on guns is not the same thing as banning them. If they were banning them I'd be opposed since the constitution does give that right...but there are certainly other issues I am more concerned with. Just like you're probably more concerned with gun rights than if the amount people get in food stamps is inadequate, or marijuana legalization/decriminalization.

What violations of your rights do I support exactly? I did not say I agree with every word Obama says about guns, I agree there should be regulations and whatever there is should be enforced. I do not think medical records are very relevant though i'd agree with background checks for people with actual violent history like someone with multiple counts of child molestation probably shouldn't be buying a gun for instance. If Obama wants to take it further then that than I disagree. I mean is disallowing drinking and driving and police taking you to detox if you get publicly intoxicated and cause a disturbance the same thing as banning alcohol?

See that is the trouble one simply speaks of regulations and have pro gun rights people put words in your mouth that you want to ban guns and how bought the government bans everything you like. I don't see how guns can be legal with no regulations...that doesn't mean I agree with any and every regulation any democrat puts forward. Anyways makes it hard to discuss when people just assume you have some agenda to deprive other Americans of rights or support their deprivation of rights.

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Did you happen to notice that I was referring to a nun?

Someone told me that Trump has great experience at extracting all he can out of a business in trouble before it enters bankruptcy court. Imagine what he could get out of the US before it goes bankrupt.

Yes and your wording suggested a comparison between the hypothetical nun and bernie sanders, since you brought up candidates with little experience and were arguing Bernie was inexperienced before responding to that comment. I take it I misunderstood?