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BazzaMcKenzie
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25 Apr 2007, 11:00 pm

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I'm interested in why you think Churchill was an idiot.

A Study in Failure

* 1874 - Born Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill
* 1895 - "Whiney" struggled in school but eventually graduated from the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst. This explains much of his personality because he was a military genius in his own mind. He also had a speech impediment that made him unpleasant to listen to that he overcame by hard work.
* Norwich North MP Dr Ian Gibson says Churchill himself acknowledged his depressive periods: "He does record that he has bad days and that he was in a straitjacket,"...
Churchill told Lord Moran:"When I was young the light faded out of the picture. I did my work. I sat in the House of Commons, but black depression settled on me." His nickname for his recurring depression he called "Black Dog."
Brendan Bracken said of Churchill in the years before WWII "he kept saying 'I am finished.' He said that about twice a day...Why, he told me he prays for death every day."
* 1896-1899 - Churchill was a military observer in India and participated as war correspondent in the second Anglo-Boer war between Britain and Afrikaners in South Africa.
* 1900 - Elected MP in the House of Commons which he continued in from 1900 to 1922 and from 1924 to 1964. Churchill was a political opportunist with no moral compass or principles. Thus he was distrusted and disliked by almost every British politician up to 1939. In spite of all his patriotic appeals for national unity, Churchill was the most truculent and bitter political swashbuckler of his day.
* 1908-1910 - Appointed President of the Board of Trade he pursued radical socialist reforms in conjunction with David Lloyd George, the new Chancellor of the Exchequer. Lloyd George was the man responsible for turning Britain into a floating Albania with a wrecked socialist economy and Marxist politics.
* The Spectator on Churchill in 1911: "We cannot detect in his career any principles or even any constant outlook upon public affairs; his ear is always to the ground; he is the true demagogue." Lloyd George in this period compared Churchill to "a chauffeur who apparently is perfectly sane and drives with great skill for months, then suddenly takes you over a precipice."
* 1911 - Churchill appointed First Lord of the Admiralty, a post he held into WWI when he earned the title "Butcher of Gallipoli" for being the architect of the disastrous Gallipoli campaign on the Dardanelles. This was his major achievement in WWI and demonstrates his abysmal stupidity. This disgrace lead to his being eventually dropped from the government. In 1915 he engineered the U-boat sinking of the Lusitania by packing it illegally with munitions and removing its escort at a critical moment. He hoped this would lure the U.S. into the war but that also failed. This was a secret project and the truth did not come out until well after Churchill's death so he avoided responsibility.
* After the war concerning uprisings in the British mandated territories of the former Ottoman Empire, Churchill wrote:
I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilized tribes.
* Based on a 1920 Churchill essay "Zionism versus Bolshevism": "Churchill ranted that Jews were behind world revolutions everywhere. Jews [were] denizens of the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America." ("Churchill for Dummies," by Michael Lind, The Spectator, 24 April 2004.) Churchill wrote, "And it may well be that this same astounding race may at the present time be in the actual process of producing another system of morals and philosophy, as malevolent as Christianity was benevolent, which, if not arrested would shatter irretrievably all that Christianity has rendered possible. It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of Antichrist were destined to originate among the same people..."


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25 Apr 2007, 11:44 pm

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Hitler was NT to the NT power. He was gay, and practiced black magic.


I didn't know that... Though I'm not quite sure what being gay or practicing black magic has to do with being NT. I heard he had a poop-eating fetish.



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25 Apr 2007, 11:56 pm

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Prof_Pretorius wrote:
Hitler was NT to the NT power. He was gay, and practiced black magic.


I didn't know that... Though I'm not quite sure what being gay or practicing black magic has to do with being NT. I heard he had a poop-eating fetish.


I think the real reason he ordered his and his old ladies bodies burn was because he
had a micro-penis and wanted to had that from the public.



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26 Apr 2007, 3:08 am

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I think the following are aspies:

Oscar The Grouch

Satan

The Wicked Witch of the West


I don't think Satan was. He seemed far
too cunning in the ways of interpersonal
relations.



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26 Apr 2007, 3:37 am

I don't think Hitler was Autistic.
I think he probably started off as a Troll trying to upset vulnerable people on forums like
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26 Apr 2007, 4:05 am

what the......?


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26 Apr 2007, 4:39 am

No i dont think Hitler was.
Although to quote Bill Hicks he may have been, " an under achiever."



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26 Apr 2007, 5:25 am

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I don't believe Hitler was autistic or had AS but I do believe that Reichsfuhrer Heinreich Himmler was an aspie. From what I read, he had all the characteristics. He spoke in a very monotone voice and in a very pedantic manner. If you look at pictures of him, he often has a blank or weird look on his face. Look at some of this pictures of him in the link. His completely unathletic physique has me even more convinced. I read he often complained of stomach problems and once when he witnessed a mass execution of Jews became very ill. I expressed this opinion in several other forums and many people agree with this assesment of Himmler.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... r+pictures


I'm not sure if Himmler was Aspie but he was more 'nuts' than Hitler in many ways. In fact people like Himmler are like candy to sociopaths. It was Himmler's obsession with Aryan mysticism that Hitler used to glue together the third Reich.



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26 Apr 2007, 2:41 pm

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No freaking way was he autistic in any shape or form.


NPD is in some ways similar to AS. So its possible he may or may not have had AS. Other dictators do not seem to manifest signs of AS, however if you had to pick one who could have had AS Hitler might qualify.



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26 Apr 2007, 3:02 pm

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KurtmanJP wrote:
No freaking way was he autistic in any shape or form.


NPD is in some ways similar to AS. So its possible he may or may not have had AS. Other dictators do not seem to manifest signs of AS, however if you had to pick one who could have had AS Hitler might qualify.

NPD is in no way similar to AS. On some few very superficial levels it can look that way.



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26 Apr 2007, 6:17 pm

Until he got involved in politics, Hitler was shy and very much a loner. He had many of the symptoms.

Don't be fooled when someone talks a lot. High functioning autistics & aspies who are trying to integrate themselves socially do it all the time. When genuinely social people (NTs) encounter someone who doesn't know when to shut up, they look askance at them.

It's just another version of us. Unfortunately, if you're really pushy with it, you can accomplish a lot - or at least make a big splash. I think Hitler was a classic example of that.

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26 Apr 2007, 6:28 pm

Hitler was a very powerful speaker.

Listening to him, even without understanding any German, they are great speeches and he had a great ability to get people to do what he wanted by inspiration.

How does that fit with the Dx criteria :?

BTW - my dog is aspie.


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26 Apr 2007, 7:19 pm

people seem convinced that Aspies can't be powerful communicators. I think its easily possible for an Aspie to have bad personal relationships but at the same time they could be charasmatic, powerful public speakers. Hitler seemed to enjoy a quiet solitary private life, while at the same time he loved public communication and leadership. these things seem to suggest AS.



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26 Apr 2007, 7:41 pm

Shyness does not necessarily equal Asperger's or Autistic, nor does meeting some of the symptoms. Hitler was incredibly charismatic, and was perfectly able engage, if somewhat erratically, in one on one negotiations with foreign heads of state. In addition, his conspiratorial and revolutionary activities would likely require him to exhort a lot of emotional control as the leader of the Nazi organization.

I think we have to be very cautious in the individual mental health of someone in the past do to it's highly speculative nature. Various theories have been raised over the years as to Hitler's personality, but since no records in regards to the tyrant are so fragmentary it is unlikely we will ever have a answer to these questions.



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26 Apr 2007, 7:41 pm

hm. he seemed to be alright. woah before you start your insults, listen to what i have to say. he killed millions, so did the christian crusaders he was a person, to me. everyone always seems to be upset when hitler is names but do you know how many were killed in the name of jesus?


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26 Apr 2007, 7:42 pm

Phaidros wrote:
people seem convinced that Aspies can't be powerful communicators. I think its easily possible for an Aspie to have bad personal relationships but at the same time they could be charasmatic, powerful public speakers. Hitler seemed to enjoy a quiet solitary private life, while at the same time he loved public communication and leadership. these things seem to suggest AS.


The essential features of Asperger's Disorder are:
Criterion A. Severe and sustained impairment in social interaction
Criterion B. The development of restricted, repetitive patterns of
behaviour, interests, and activities
Criterion C. The disturbance must cause clinically significant impairment
in social, occupational, or other important areas of
functioning.


Where does it suggest Hitler had impaired social functioning :?

Where does the dx criteria say "people who enjoy quiet solitude"?

I think being charasmatic would be proof of not having impaired social interaction and therefore not having AS.

When are people going to stop saying Cho, George W, Hitler, Charles Manson, etc etc have AS :?

My dog shows more signs of AS


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