Trump says "some groups in [the KKK may be] totally fine"

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It's a nonsense fake narrative, dirty tricks by the media, tried and true character assassination except this time it isn't working. They can't talk about the issues so they make one up. Just pure desperation at this point.

Screaming racism and holding your breath isn't a debate, it just shows the lack of substance behind the otherside. Bernie at least at has the Matthew Lesko thing going, Hillary just tries to copy what is popular or advantagous to her at any given time.

It's a fact that racists like him because he wants to kick out all the Mexicans. Of course he won't accept their endorsements, it would be political suicide.

So your point is that racists lack listening skills? Or am I being too generous again?

Which is obfuscation of Trump's position, the dishonest media and its mindless zombies like to this a lot. Donald wants to build a wall and deport illegal aliens, that is something like 60-70% of America supports. Trump never said he was going to "kick out the Mexicans" that is your own biased spin on a very serious issue that these candidates would not be talking about otherwise. We'd be talking about how much amnesty to give, not about actually solving the issue of illegal immigration. Nobody besides Bernie Sanders ironically enough has talked about how big business particularly the high minded forward thinking "liberal" Silicon Valley companies have been ripping us off with these H1b visas which are stealing even our skilled technology jobs of which there is NO shortage of American workers.

It's just like the Muslim thing, Trump says he will not accept any Syrian refugees or Muslim immigrants until the FBI can give us assurances about vetting them which in the case of the Syrians is completely impossible. The American people should decide what type of immigration policy they want, not Wall Street or Silicon Valley or the Beltway. Just a nonstop line of smears and straight up lies. The elites in this country do not live in the same country that we do, they do not feel the consequences nor do they care, it is about the money and the power and that's it.

No, racists just lack thinking skills.

I don't think you should judge Trump or anyone else based on who votes for them. Such a thing is also extremely open to abuse, especially in America with all the money that goes behind candidates. You could pay a few appropriate people off to loudly proclaim their allegiance to someone. They don't even have to vote that way come voting day, they can cast their secret vote any way they want to. Why give such power to such people to effect change like that? At the end of the day David Duke has 1 vote, the same as everyone else, and that's all the power he should have. If you have a friend who's *insert anything you want here*, should you be judged a bad person because of that?

It's totally ridiculous, you can't control who supports you and why should you be responsible for them? I'm sure lots of murderers and child molesters supported Obama for the presidency too, it would be dumb to say because Obama doesn't address so a ludicrous question that he somehow supports murder and pedophilia which is essentially the media is trying to do here. A broken clock is right two times a day, these racists you all hate and apparently deprive of the humanity that you accuse them of depriving others of all have a right to vote for whoever they want for whatever reason they want. Even if you believe the extremist SPLC which lists everyone left of Stalin as a hate group , there are only a couple scattered groups of the KKK in existence. The KKK at one time was the armed wing of the Democratic Party in the southern United States, they ruled the south with an iron fist and you know who else they targeted besides blacks? Republicans! Once the the GOP made inroads into the south the KKK as a public menace all the sudden disappeared, funny how that worked. If you look at the history of the KKK they are inseparable from the Democratic Party. The great progressive president Woodrow Wilson was the one that welcomed the largest incarnation of the Klan into America, that's where the sheets and burning crosses came from.

He said most Mexicans are rapists. He's clearly a racist. Even deporting all the illegals would cost billions, and more to the point would separate families, since the children of those immigrants are citizens. It would be a policy far more racist than sending Japanese-Americans to camps in WWII.

In the days when the KKK were all powerful in the south, it is true they were Democrats. But that was a time before the two parties were so polarized along ideological lines. For instance, there were liberal and conservative Democrats, as well as liberal and conservative Republicans. It just so happened that the southern Democrats were the conservative wing of the party. Incidentally, when Ronald Reagan made inroads among southern whites, he played up to the existing racism, saying how white southerners had been humiliated by civil rights legislation, and used coded words like states rights. White southerners were able to switch parties so easily because they were already conservative, and were welcomed with open arms by people who played up to their racism. Sure, the Klan isn't nearly what it had once been, but that has more to do with the triumph of civil rights, and education given to a new generation. And the fact is, those remaining Klansmen are hardly liberal, and hardly Democrats. And as for those Republicans of old who were murdered by the KKK - those were in fact mostly either blacks, or were the so called Carpet Baggers, the liberals of their day who came to help blacks during Reconstruction. Incidentally, if southern Republicans are so great in fighting racism, why do blacks vote Democrat most of the time?

Obama has been supporting far worse.

False. He never said all or most Mexicans are rapist, Trump made a point about the people coming over our border which does include rapists and murderers and his point was that these aren't the best Mexico has to offer crossing our border and quite a few are in fact criminals. Mexico and central America are DUMPING their underclasses into America, this is a deliberate thought out policy by the Mexican government who aids and abets it. They put these central Americans on trains in southern Mexico and ride them all the way up to the border, they facilitate everything and as long as they are leaving Mexico they are glad to do it.

It isn't anything racist about it, there are many many LEGAL Mexicans in this country that suffer because of these alien foreign citizens. No country in the world can tolerate having such a porous border and remain a unified country, it's time that Mexico steps up to the plate and take care of THEIR people or else we're going to MAKE them pay which is very very easy given the trade deficit and the amount of remittance payments going back into Mexico. I think remittance payments from the US is like the 3rd largest sector of the Mexican economy, they will listen to us because they will not have a choice and their people will be better off for it. They need to make Mexico great, not invade ours and make our lives harder. As for these children, I think we need to look at birthright citizenship, jus soli makes zero sense and you should have to be born to American citizen to be entitled to citizenship at birth otherwise. This would be a pretty big change but it is change that needs to happen if we are going to have a country. Criminals should ALL go back no questions, what happened in San Francisco with Kate Steinle is absolute disgusting. These "sanctuary cities" cannot be tolerated and should receive ZERO federal funding until this policy is ended.

What is your point? Yes, the parties use to not be split ideologically but rather regionally. The KKK was an integral part of the Democratic Party in south when it dominated it, this is a fact. Now their base of supporters no longer support Democrats and all the conservatives from the party has been purged, but that does not mean KKK legacy somehow transfer. As mentioned, why is it that the KKK all but disappeared with the disappearance of the southern Dixiecrats? You can say 'oh the GOP plays to their conservative views' and they deserve the mantle but the reality is that the DEMOCRATIC PARTY, the one that LBJ and Woodrow Wilson were apart of, were the ones that had an armed terrorist wing. There is no terrorist wing of the modern day Republican party in the south so that argument does not work. Now you can repudiate and disavow these people that's fine, altho they all seemed to like the Exalted Cyclops Senator Robert Byrd who was 3rd in line for the presidency between 2007 and 2010.

I'm reading a lot about how anyone who doesn't like trump must of course be pro-hillary, a democrat, and blinded by the media, eating up everything they hear without possessing critical thinking skills.

Care to back up the mexico statement with anything other than because trump said so?

As far as i see, it's just one of many things trump has made up or dramatically exaggerated that has since been proven nonsense.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... es-many-b/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... ones-over/




Another trumpism. Proven false.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... ind-he-en/



And as trump is an elite..

You can believe what you want, I do not care what some biased website says. Are you going to post snopes now too? Look up the el tren de la muerte and how they treat central American immigrants in Mexico, what is the penalty for illegally entering Mexico? Regardless, it doesn't matter if it is deliberate or not because effectively it is true and I don't think the Mexican government is complaining. Look at the Mexican government and who is on Telemundo, it isn't the same people coming over our border and it makes sense that people that haven't had success in one country would be leaving not the ruling class. Mexico should be responsible for its citizens, they should pay for every expense they cost us in America and if they had to do that they would probably have import immigrants from other countries to help in the massive repatriation. It can be done, both Bush and Obama have deported over a million illegals altho it makes little difference with an open border. Eisenhower had success doing it, there really is no reason why it can't be done. It is a much more reasonable policy than arming terrorists to fight dictators and later invading those countries, we've spent how much on Iraq?

Trump never said all Mexicans or most Mexicans are rapists, this is a fact. To say he did is a lie. He said that there rapists and murderers coming over our border and this is a fact as well. Nothing racist about it, maybe that doesn't gel with the Jeb Bush Chamber of Commerce folks out there who called it an 'act of love' and wanted to push amnesty but Americans are not having any of it any longer.

Agreed. Overall. But this is not ultimately a question or concern about who supports trump, it's about who trump supports.

The "biased" website does fact checks - which can be further verified. They check statements from all parties.. Even from Jon Stewart. They aren't an anti-right, holy-left site. Though i'm starting to get the sense that anyone or anything that counters trump is simply declared biased and accused of smearing.
Nonetheless, i asked you to back up your claims with anything other than because trump said so..



You just said this whole detailed example of the mexican goverment literally train riding their bad guys over to the US.. But that being true or not is irrelevant?
Meanwhile, over and over about how everyone is blinded by and believing lies they hear.. I would expect if that were the platform of argument, statements made would be adhereing to truth and backed by reputible, verifiable sources.

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