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28 Apr 2016, 3:31 pm

Of course they're afraid, they represent the status quo that has taken advantage of America for decades and Trump is ending the free lunch. We protect all of Europe, we protect Asia, we protect the oil rich Middle East, all while our country can't pay it's own bills or take care of it's own people. Only like 4 or 5 of 28 NATO spend the recommended 2% of GDP on military expenditures and two of 3 of those countries are Greece, Estonia, and Poland. The UK and the US being the other two, it's a joke that we are obligated to defend a bunch of freeloaders. Poland is a great ally because they actually value their alliance with the United States instead of taking it for granted. These countries have already mortgaged away their futures, they already are up their eyeballs in debt, their standard of living is unsustainable and was only possible thru the goodwill of the United States which it has not shown its own citizens. \

The leaders of Europe are even worse than America, I am glad they are afraid. I hope you Europeans take your countries back too which will make us all freer and safer and closer as result. The nation-state must survive, global governance must be opposed.



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28 Apr 2016, 3:39 pm

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I'd vote green but I'd be throwing my vote away.Coal mines are better than mountain top removal.But it's cheaper to take a mountain apart than to make sure the miners have a safe working environment.We have fracking here,it caused earthquakes.For the first time in my life I saw furniture move and huge cracks in the drywall.I have shale all around me,now I'm nervous this area might be fracked.I have good water from my own well,I'd prefer it not to be flammable.Big coal has done nothing but exploit Appalachia,sure it provides jobs.But just look at the cost.Contaiment ponds with sludge breaking loose,black lung,crappy water,and wages that are jack s**t compared to the risk people take going into a mine to work.

A wall won't stop a determined person.They will just come on by boat .You are just relocating the problem instead of dealing with it like it should be.Legalize marijuana,punish the companies that hire and exploit the illegals.

I'm not sure how to deal with Isis,that's a real problem.The Muslims I know are not terrorists,one is a kindly elderly man from Iran who desperately tries to grow figs here where they don't grow.The only violence he feels is when squirrels eat the figs.No way would it be right to punish him for what extremists do.Muslim Americans are our first line of defense against extremists.We had one Muslim in the Ozarks communicating on Isis websites,she was turned in to the FBI by another Muslim.They will be the first to notice signs of radicalization.We shouldn't alienate them or make them feel they aren't Americans.
I'm aware of the racism that exists in Mexico.A friend's grandmother was of Spanish descent and she had made these fried meat pies,of course they had a Spanish name.Me in my ignorance remarked that I loved Mexican food.She hated me forever for something I said in ignorance.

I've been fortunate to make friends with people of different nationalities,I can't find it in my heart to dislike anyone that comes to America wanting a better life.I also understand that people don't like change,I don't.We don't like it here,but we are equal in our dislike.We don't want other Americans to move to Arkansas.lol No more newcomers.
All they do is complain,the roads are bad,the grocery store doesn't have our special brand of bottled water,the handyman didn't show up when he said he would.That's becuse the fish were biting and that's more important than any job.So we get called lazy and backward.Our accent gets mocked,we just get dissed all around.
So I can understand why people want a wall.We would like to wall our state off from the outside world.
Here any native Arkansan will stop and help you if you are broke down on the road,but not new people.They just drive on by.I was on the side of the road with a can of fix a flat and these people just blazed on by,out of state tags.I resisted the urge to hurl the can at them.Not the first time it's happened either.
The sad fact is humans migrate,just look at history.The Normans invaded England,the Roman Empire was invaded by different tribes.Its just the way it is.History repeats itself.

Thank you for taking the time out of your day to write a thought out response, I appreciate this even if we disagree because a lot of people on this site will not do this. Just because two people disagree doesn't mean they can't get along and treat each other with dignity and respect. We're not running for office, we're not on the floor of the Senate, what we individually think doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things so it is best to try not too take ourselves too seriously.

For what it is worth, I have always maintained that the Muslim population of the United States which is relatively small and spread out are model immigrants who have higher household incomes and are more educated the general population. Most of these people have integrated into their communities beautifully, their children(most at least) are just as integrated into American culture as you or I. These people really are not the problem, these people are almost all professionals or business owners. I can honestly say my interactions with Muslims from this country has been mostly good altho they drive like insane people. 8O

Europe is where the problem is and as long as we don't import millions of refugees that we have no idea who they are from areas where the population is extremely anti-western and of the same branch of Islam that has spawn these terrorist groups. ISIS controls the printing press, they can invent entire families if they want and they claim they have and why shouldn't we believe them? We saw what happened in Paris and Brussels. We could be very specific about what demographic poses that the threat hides amongst and that is Sunni Muslims most specifically from Arabia but it's a problem all over the Sunni world almost I'm not totally opposed to taking in refugees that are minorities in their lands that face genocide like the Christians, Yazidi, and Shia because they do not pose a domestic threat but these Sunni Arabs from Iraq and Syria are the base behind ISIS and we take them in at our own risk. It can be more targeted so it doesn't sound as offensive but it is at least one idea of trying to make this country safer. What Angela Merkel did to her country didn't make her country safer, it's made the whole continent worse off.

If we are to have a country then we need borders, do we want a safety net and public utilities or should go by the wayside to accommodate these new people? We haven't solved poverty or income inequality in this country, our infrastructure is crumbling, our schools are garbage, wages have been stagnant for 40 years and big part of that is because of this invasion of cheap third world labor. We need to guard our quality of life, the American worker should not have to compete with slaves in a race to the bottom. We need to guard Western Civilization from those that wish to destroy it, foreign and domestic.

As for the wall not completely stopping illegal immigration, it would definitely have an impact on the human and drug trafficking and it would stop people that who we have no idea are from entering this country. There is a serious problem with our work programs and 'legal immigration', H1b's are a major issue this election. Our immigration issues are going to need a multifaceted approach is they are going to be solved, I just signed a new lease the other day and will be moving soon but they asked for so much information from me I started to wonder how do illegal immigrants find places to live? Perhaps we should go after the landlords that rent to illegals, have occupants pass e-verify like they do with jobs. Turning off the spigot is what needs to be done, that is what will punish these businesses the most because the reality is that these businesses are too rich and too powerful to go after individually so you take away their favorite toys and tools.

You're welcome.Im thankful we live somewhere that we can have different opnions,voice them,and no one vanishes and get shot in the head for a different viewpoint.
I have relatives that are for Trump,that's fine with me.I just hope people get out and vote.There are some friends that are way more liberal than me,they want all guns taken away.I don't see how that is feasible or realistic.So we agree to disagree on the subject.

I don't have a problem with screening immigrants,some might be criminals and we have enough of those here already.If the economy is bad and jobs are scarce then it makes sense to limit them.
It's true our infrastructure is just getting bad.I recently watched a program that mentioned how we are lacking in young people training or applying for these jobs,maybe becuse the pay isn't that good.Around here the roads the tourists use get the royal treatment and the rest just go to potholes.I suppose it makes sense,it's a major part of the economy in this area.

There are some illegals here,wherever there is a chicken house.Tysons brought them in.Ive seen some trailer parks that are supposedly rented to illegals on a cash basis.The phrase slum lord comes to mind.I wouldn't let my dogs stay in some of those hovels,I can only feel sorry for the kids that live there.Adults have a choice,kids don't.No zoning laws or inspections in most places,so the slumlords get a free ride.

I really wish something could be done about the cartels bringing high grade meth in.That drug is just bad.We used to have problems with the small mom and pop labs but the cartel has the goods for cheaper and it's better quality.So now we have that all over.


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28 Apr 2016, 3:44 pm

I used to dislike Donald Trump before he ran for Pres. now I have respect for the guy, for tellin all them social club ivy league candidates what little guys they really are. Trump may be bullheaded in business and runs off the mouth like any angry grown man , but in fairness he seems to be a decent human being, compared to jackals like Hillary. I think Trump should be let among them coyotes and give them a reality check, humiliate them on telly . hopefully a good , decent president will come forward for the next elections. ..



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28 Apr 2016, 4:20 pm

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You're welcome.Im thankful we live somewhere that we can have different opnions,voice them,and no one vanishes and get shot in the head for a different viewpoint.
I have relatives that are for Trump,that's fine with me.I just hope people get out and vote.There are some friends that are way more liberal than me,they want all guns taken away.I don't see how that is feasible or realistic.So we agree to disagree on the subject.

I don't have a problem with screening immigrants,some might be criminals and we have enough of those here already.If the economy is bad and jobs are scarce then it makes sense to limit them.
It's true our infrastructure is just getting bad.I recently watched a program that mentioned how we are lacking in young people training or applying for these jobs,maybe becuse the pay isn't that good.Around here the roads the tourists use get the royal treatment and the rest just go to potholes.I suppose it makes sense,it's a major part of the economy in this area.

There are some illegals here,wherever there is a chicken house.Tysons brought them in.Ive seen some trailer parks that are supposedly rented to illegals on a cash basis.The phrase slum lord comes to mind.I wouldn't let my dogs stay in some of those hovels,I can only feel sorry for the kids that live there.Adults have a choice,kids don't.No zoning laws or inspections in most places,so the slumlords get a free ride.

I really wish something could be done about the cartels bringing high grade meth in.That drug is just bad.We used to have problems with the small mom and pop labs but the cartel has the goods for cheaper and it's better quality.So now we have that all over.


It is similar here at the dairy farms, they have a bunch of trailers that they own that they put behind these huge razor wire fences where nobody is allowed to enter and I presume leave but I guess that would be slavery wouldn't it? It's hard not to think of slavery driving pass these fields seeing these workers, they grow a lot of cotton around here so it really is an image out of the Antebellum South at times. I feel bad for these people, they are being exploited and catch flack for acting in their self interests but that doesn't mean we can let them all in and stay. I think Mexico has an amazing unique culture that emphasizes the family above all else, there are many admirable qualities that they have my own people don't live up too but the fact is that they are a foreign people and a foreign culture. Massive demographic change should be avoided, America is full up right now and most of us are struggling to keep our head above water. It makes total sense for them to want to immigrate to America but so would about 3 billion people this planet and at that point it would stop being America. Mexico needs to make Mexico great, America needs to make America great, Brazil needs to make Brazil, etc etc. Just to repeat one more time Mexico is a RICH country, not a poor destitute one like some people might think but there is massive income inequality. Latin America is really what I think American society start looking like if we do not wise up soon enough.

These cartels bring high-grade meth and heroin into this country, it has devastated my peer group and out west I see so many meth tweakers out here it isn't even funny. Crystal meth wasn't really a city drug before I moved from my home town, it was mostly your typical "ghetto" drugs crack cocaine and heroin. There isn't even anything particularly sophisticated about how they get these drugs over the border, they quite literally walk them over and thru the mountains in heavily armed platoons with advance scouts and lookouts to make sure they don't run into anyone but god help you if you do. You can find their liter all over, it's quite disturbing. A lot of human trafficking comes in this way too. It is an odd thing to see grown naked Mexican man run thru your yard when you live out in the middle of the desert 15 miles from the nearest town but guess who seen that? Not a 'haha I'm naked' type run, more like he got dumped and was afraid for his life.

I think we more or less agree on a lot of thing, I don't think you are that far off from what Trump is saying. People need to move beyond the tone and the feigned outrage in the media, the way Donald Trump talks doesn't bother me one bit because that's how I talk and I liked that he doesn't show respect to the establishment because they deserve to be knocked down several pegs. I really don't think too many people when they actually sit down and think about what Donald is proposing as that unreasonable or outside the mainstream. Perhaps I'm too young and idealistic yet, haven't been completely crushed down by politics yet but Trump seems like our last shot at getting this right. I think Ron Paul was one of the greatest statesmen in American history, Rand Paul I think was by far the most reasonable candidate in 2016 and neither of them could crack the establishment blockade. We need a wrecking ball like Donald Trump, even if he doesn't keep his promises he will have destroyed status quo of the two party syste and make it possible for real outsider candidate to win in the future. A demagogue is the only way you can dislodged these entrenched special interests that but have built institutions and the entire system around them, too much money is working against you so you have to appeal the base emotions of the people and there isn't wrong with that. We can't act like elections before were all that different, very rarely does relevant issues even get brought up. 2012 they argued more about abortion than they did Obamacare or jobs, it's a joke. Trump is actually speaking the language of money, he is resonating with people that have been abandoned the establishment of both the GOP and Democratic parties. The party elites that live on the Beltway look down at the base of the Republican party with disdain, they hate us just as much we hate them.



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28 Apr 2016, 4:44 pm

Trump is and always will be a racist, arrogant, sexist idiot.

He's a greedy corrupt businessman that will likely only help his friends if he gets elected. He can make all these nonsense promises now- but he will go back on them. Many many politicians say one thing to get elected, but do another once they are actually elected.

I hope the Trump University crap shows more people how horrible he is. He lied so much with that university and still acts like it was successful. Yeah it was successful at scamming people out of money.

The other candidates arent much better, but Trump is honestly the worst of the bunch.

If Trump somehow tricks people to get himself into office, I'm strongly hoping democrats get control of house and senate. Then they can make his years in office a living hell. But I think at this point, many republicans arent fans of him either.. so I doubt many of his ideas will get made into law.

The 2 party system needs to be over with this year IMO. Trump isnt a real republican, and Sanders isnt a democrat. But honestly.. if either just ran as independent, they wouldnt get as much support, money and so on. I think thats what bugs me the most about the people running- joining one of the two parties and not even truely being a part of them. It's a bit sickening that these political idiots think 2 parties is how it always should be.

Anyway.. politics disgusts me a ton, so I hate to think about it. It's so corrupt and there's always some new scandal with a current person in power, or someone that use to have power. These crooks get elected by the people, but generally help out only their friends in exchange for bribes. People fall for these politicians lies all the dang time and then wonder why stuff is going bad. The fact there is so many sick people in USA, so many homeless and so many issues.. that go IGNORED.. is very sickening. So many useless laws get made, while so many people suffer. It's not right at all :(



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28 Apr 2016, 5:00 pm

Stop getting your information from Salon and the Huffington Post, these publications have declared war on Trump and cannot be trusted. Trump is the worst of the bunch? What do you know about Trump or 'the bunch'? Do you know what you support? You dislike Bernie too? Do you love Wall Street and Pharmaceutical companies? What's the deal? Please elaborate.



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28 Apr 2016, 5:09 pm

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Why do you say Sessions is racist? What did he do? Those smears Joe Biden did back in the day to Reagan's court nominations are exactly why Obama won't even get a hearing on filling the vacancy, Joe Biden did more to destroy the court than anybody else. It seems like Biden had an issue with EVERYBODY a Republican nominated and made it as personal as possible. I don't think most people even knew who Sessions was before he endorsed Trump by the way, he's a sitting US senator and has credibility on the immigration issue so he was a valuable endorsement. I don't like Sessions' positions on almost everything but he's taking his medicine right now with Trump as he know is being forced to admit the mistake that Iraq was that he was such a fervent supporter of.

I just liked the speech Trump's senior policy advisor Stephen Miller gave, had nothing to do with Senator Sessions regardless.


Who says what Biden said were smears? I find the personal charges against Sessions to be credible.


Sessions was qualified, Biden smeared him personally so now it's pretty funny with the shoe on the other foot. You would find any accusation against a Republican to be credible and those accusations really weren't anything that bad. He made an offensive joke, one that I actually laughed at reading, and made some off color comments. Who cares? He still did his job. Biden smeared everyone Republicans nominated to the court, he attacked them personally and not their credentials or even their beliefs much.


He had said racially insensitive things about African Americans, and was largely unapologetic.


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28 Apr 2016, 5:24 pm

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Stop getting your information from Salon and the Huffington Post, these publications have declared war on Trump and cannot be trusted. Trump is the worst of the bunch? What do you know about Trump or 'the bunch'? Do you know what you support? You dislike Bernie too? Do you love Wall Street and Pharmaceutical companies? What's the deal? Please elaborate.


I don't visit Salon and Huffington Post, so don't make up stupid assumptions.

I'm not going to justify anything to you. I remember plenty of other posts where I tried explaining Trump's horrible actions, and you claimed he did nothing wrong. The evidence is right there but you ignorantly think Trump is perfect and innocent.



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28 Apr 2016, 5:38 pm

Well then I guess whoever you are parroting visits Salon and the Huffington Post

You bring up nonsense like Trump University

it doesn't compare to the high crimes and misdemeanors of the Clintons, does it matter to you that Bill has been accused of rape and sexual assault on numerous occasions? How about the fact that Hillary was an active enabler and protector of her husband utilizing slut shaming and intimidation and maybe worse against any woman that dare spoke the truth about her husband. That's just Bill's sexual misdeeds, he is a literal crook who has enriched himself thru politics whereas Trump has built buildings and created jobs. Trump is by far the best candidate running. Hillary Clinton made $25 million from "speeches" between stepping down as Secretary of State and running for president, do you really think that $25 million was for speeches? Why are the Clinton's worth hundreds of millions of dollars? This is corruption on a massive scale. Trump got his money honestly, the Clintons did not.


What other horrible actions are there? he wanted some tiny building in the middle of Atlantic City that was surrounded by Casinos thru eminent domain, oh the humanity! He didn't get that house and that old lady was stupid not to sell when she did because Atlantic City went bust and nobody wants it anymore. Nonsense little irrelevant things. Hillary has had countries invaded, she has aided terrorist groups like ISIS, she was the worst Secretary of State of all time and that's not even counting her blatant attempt at skirting open government laws(to cover her own corruption obviously) and hatred of transparency.

He said something mean to Megyn Kelly and Rosie O'Donnell! Boo hoo! Poor John McCain, he's only responsible for the deaths of millions but he wasn't called a war hero? What a monster Trump is! :lol:



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28 Apr 2016, 5:59 pm

Trump is a DRAFT DODGER. He wasnt even man enough to go to war. Too busy getting rich in shady ways and then going bankrupt. (Side note- I hate wars and they rarely seem to help things. It doesn't hide the fact that Trump is a whiny little draft dodger)

The fact Donald Trump has to namecall and bully people is immature. His supporters are probably bullies as well. Real men don't need to resort to namecalling, period.



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28 Apr 2016, 6:15 pm

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Trump is a DRAFT DODGER. He wasnt even man enough to go to war. Too busy getting rich in shady ways and then going bankrupt. (Side note- I hate wars and they rarely seem to help things. It doesn't hide the fact that Trump is a whiny little draft dodger)

The fact Donald Trump has to namecall and bully people is immature. His supporters are probably bullies as well. Real men don't need to resort to namecalling, period.


Why do you lie? You say you have these things and then you lie, you're repeating some stupid smear you heard from somewhere else. Trump was a draft dodger because he went to college apparently, then so was Bill Clinton(who was hiding off out of the country at Oxford at the time) and probably half of congress. Trump was was lucky, like Bill, to receive a high number after 1969. Bernie was got those student deferments too, he also applied to be a conscientious objector. He eventually got too old to get drafted. Where do you think Bill and Bernie would of went had they gotten drafted? They would of been real draft dodgers and fled the country.

You seem to resort to name calling towards Trump quite a bit so what are you saying?



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28 Apr 2016, 6:17 pm

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He said something mean to Megyn Kelly and Rosie O'Donnell! Boo hoo!


That's really childish Jacoby


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28 Apr 2016, 6:37 pm

Megyn Kelly is crying all the way to the bank, she wanted to make a name for herself and she did. She'll get her big 1 on 1 interview with Trump too, she has become the biggest star on Fox News. It's all an act for ratings, she should love Donald.

Rosie O'Donnell... Who cares about Rosie O'Donnell? You can't attack somebody and not expect them to hit back so you better be prepared for it, you'd think a so called comedian could deal with a little heckling but apparently not. When someone hits you, you hit them back, simple as that.



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28 Apr 2016, 7:03 pm

It's easy to judge Mr. trump by the kind of people he attracts.

I wouldn't vote for any of them, either.



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28 Apr 2016, 8:12 pm

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"The butcher" ?

Trump is up against millions of people who just vote blue, regardless.


Yup. Just look at iraq, syria, libya, etc. She also supports the rapefugees flooding europe and isis.



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28 Apr 2016, 8:13 pm

See what I mean?