How did you learn what racism is?
Growing up, there were no black people.
I'm unfamiliar with black people.
To be completely & entirely honest, I'd never fully trust a black person. For no other reason than lack of familiarity.
But I don't think this makes me racist - just as not eating a berry from a plant I wasn't familiar with wouldn't make me 'plantist'.
You said: "But I don't think this makes me racist" Wellll yes it does. A black person is just that, a....black....person. You indicate (through negative statement) a white person would not make you uneasy....not that they were strangers, or any other reason (I'm guessing you just forgot to put this part in), but perhaps you fear everything new?
The term to watch for is "person." Because everyone is an individual you should not prejudge because of color....that is called racism. People are not berries.
Do I think black people will knife me? No - even though statisticlly they are more likely to.
Do I think black people will rape my wife? No - even though statistically they are more likely to.
Do I think middle-aged white men will molest my daughter? No - even though statistically they are more likely to.
Again - there are no black people where I live.
I'd have to seek one out to tick an 'I have a black friend' box.
To me, that would be racist.
Psychologically we do have bias.
I don't trust those who are all-embracing of every colour/type etc. I think they are lying to themselves at a deep level.
But I didn't grow up in somewhere like NYC.
Think of me as racist if you wish. I call it honesty.
I embrace anybody who deserves to be embraced----I don't care what "color" the person is. "black" people have more pigment than "white" people. That's all.
If a white person is a schmuck, dickhead, etc. then he/she doesn't deserve to be embraced. If he/she is a fine human being, then he/she deserves to be embraced.
Yeah....I grew up in NYC. When a ride on a subway train, I could be in a car where people speak 10 languages or more. Complexions range from almost tarry black to almost albino white.
I think there's an important issue in the 'racism' debate that it is possibly worth addressing.
Let's assume I'm moving to London.
I'm looking at houses, and one of the houses is in a predominantly black neighbourhood.
Most knife crime in London is committed by black people.
For the sake of wanting to minimise the likelihood of being stabbed, I wouldn't move to the black neighbourhood.
...Why does this make me racist, rather than sensible?
...Does it make me racist? By definition you could say it does - as I'm judging a group of people based on the colour of their skin.
If I were asked why I didn't move there, I'd simply reply 'too many black people. Greater chance of being stabbed'.
I don't see this as racism.
I see it as accepting the facts.
Or should I ignore the statistics and hope for the best?
Personally, I'd rather be called racist and have less likelihood of being stabbed than move to a neighbourhood where I'd be living amongst blacks yet have a far greater chance of being stabbed.
Let's assume I'm moving to London.
I'm looking at houses, and one of the houses is in a predominantly black neighbourhood.
Most knife crime in London is committed by black people.
For the sake of wanting to minimise the likelihood of being stabbed, I wouldn't move to the black neighbourhood.
...Why does this make me racist, rather than sensible?
...Does it make me racist? By definition you could say it does - as I'm judging a group of people based on the colour of their skin.
If I were asked why I didn't move there, I'd simply reply 'too many black people. Greater chance of being stabbed'.
I don't see this as racism.
I see it as accepting the facts.
Or should I ignore the statistics and hope for the best?
Personally, I'd rather be called racist and have less likelihood of being stabbed than move to a neighbourhood where I'd be living amongst blacks yet have a far greater chance of being stabbed.
Well it would if you made the choice by assuming since more black people live here than there probably is elsewhere instead of just looking up the crime statistics available for that area. Race does not need to factor in to the decision.
I happen to live in a neighborhood where I'm one of the few white people there.
The predominant ethnic/racial group is East Indian, followed by Hispanics from many nations, followed by East Asians.
I left a $10 bill near the door of my house at 7 AM. When I got home at midnight, the $10 bill was in the same place where I left it.
I dropped my glasses once in the snow. Two weeks later, when the snow melted, the glasses were still there.
People respect each other in my neighborhood. And they don't even have to flaunt the fact that they respect the neighborhood.
Well it would if you made the choice by assuming since more black people live here than there probably is elsewhere instead of just looking up the crime statistics available for that area. Race does not need to factor in to the decision.
I can name 10+ nearby cities that have transformed from middle class white to black ghetto cities.
I just moved my aunt out of one. She bought her home 25 years ago for about 120k now it's worth 40k.
What happened? Well, its a 30% black neighborhood now, which means whites are fleeing, and it will be 90+% black eventually.
When the transformation happens, you can lose your home equity fast. Rich/Middle class will not move there.
As all the left wing sites remind us, blacks are poorer, less educated, and have lower incomes, which translates into less money to repair their homes, less money for city services. So, put a fork in that city -- it's done.
Wealth attracts wealth, poverty attracts poverty.
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Well it would if you made the choice by assuming since more black people live here than there probably is elsewhere instead of just looking up the crime statistics available for that area. Race does not need to factor in to the decision.
I can name 10+ nearby cities that have transformed from middle class white to black ghetto cities.
I just moved my aunt out of one. She bought her home 25 years ago for about 120k now it's worth 40k.
What happened? Well, its a 30% black neighborhood now, which means whites are fleeing, and it will be 90+% black eventually.
When the transformation happens, you can lose your home equity fast. Rich/Middle class will not move there.
As all the left wing sites remind us, blacks are poorer, less educated, and have lower incomes, which translates into less money to repair their homes, less money for city services. So, put a fork in that city -- it's done.
Wealth attracts wealth, poverty attracts poverty.
White flight is a symptom of racism in itself, and there's no defense of that.
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Well it would if you made the choice by assuming since more black people live here than there probably is elsewhere instead of just looking up the crime statistics available for that area. Race does not need to factor in to the decision.
I can name 10+ nearby cities that have transformed from middle class white to black ghetto cities.
I just moved my aunt out of one. She bought her home 25 years ago for about 120k now it's worth 40k.
What happened? Well, its a 30% black neighborhood now, which means whites are fleeing, and it will be 90+% black eventually.
When the transformation happens, you can lose your home equity fast. Rich/Middle class will not move there.
As all the left wing sites remind us, blacks are poorer, less educated, and have lower incomes, which translates into less money to repair their homes, less money for city services. So, put a fork in that city -- it's done.
Wealth attracts wealth, poverty attracts poverty.
White flight is a symptom of racism in itself, and there's no defense of that.
I didn't realize that was a response to my post. My point was that it is better to judge a city based a facts and data rather than a guess on the crime rate due to demographics.
Sorry that was supposed to quote LoveNotHate.
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Well it would if you made the choice by assuming since more black people live here than there probably is elsewhere instead of just looking up the crime statistics available for that area. Race does not need to factor in to the decision.
I can name 10+ nearby cities that have transformed from middle class white to black ghetto cities.
I just moved my aunt out of one. She bought her home 25 years ago for about 120k now it's worth 40k.
What happened? Well, its a 30% black neighborhood now, which means whites are fleeing, and it will be 90+% black eventually.
When the transformation happens, you can lose your home equity fast. Rich/Middle class will not move there.
As all the left wing sites remind us, blacks are poorer, less educated, and have lower incomes, which translates into less money to repair their homes, less money for city services. So, put a fork in that city -- it's done.
Wealth attracts wealth, poverty attracts poverty.
White flight is a symptom of racism in itself, and there's no defense of that.
I didn't realize that was a response to my post. My point was that it is better to judge a city based a facts and data rather than a guess on the crime rate due to demographics.
Sorry that was supposed to quote LoveNotHate.
Okay, I was trying to figure out your response, till I read the last line.
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White flight is a symptom of racism in itself, and there's no defense of that.
This is their defense:
-property values will plunge
-the city crime rates will surge
-graffiti will appear
-city will stop fixing stuff because the tax base will evaporate
-city services will be cut, pay for city workers will be cut
-homes will deteriorate because people can't afford to maintain them
-school achievements will plunge marking the school district as "poor"
Highland Park, Pontiac, Hamtramack, Detroit are a few examples.
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White flight is a symptom of racism in itself, and there's no defense of that.
This is their defense:
-property values will plunge
-the city crime rates will surge
-graffiti will appear
-city will stop fixing stuff because the tax base will evaporate
-city services will be cut, pay for city workers will be cut
-homes will deteriorate because people can't afford to maintain them
-school achievements will plunge marking the school district as "poor"
Only because the most affluent - who tend to be white - jump ship. If they would stay and support their community, rather than use their new neighbor's ethnicity as a pretext to leave, then those cities wouldn't go into social and economic decline. It's the fault of white flight for a downward economic and social spiral.
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-property values will plunge
-the city crime rates will surge
-graffiti will appear
-city will stop fixing stuff because the tax base will evaporate
-city services will be cut, pay for city workers will be cut
-homes will deteriorate because people can't afford to maintain them
-school achievements will plunge marking the school district as "poor"
Highland Park, Pontiac, Hamtramack, Detroit are a few examples.
...Sounds like a good defense that any sensible person would read and say 'nope, not moving there'.
I don't see what's wrong with avoiding living in an area such as the hypothetical one you mention above.
Or any area where such a scenario is likely.