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17 May 2016, 10:55 pm

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The Democrats ARE the party of big business, look at where all the corporate money has been going these last few elections. They no longer represent the interests of the working class, they actively work against them. Most Republicans aren't any better but the Republican establishment has been overthrown and things will never be the same again. Bill Kristol will be supporting Hillary before it is all said and over with, let that sink in.


Actually, for all his populist rhetoric, Trump still is the epitome of big business. The only difference is, he's saying things people were afraid to say, because it's racist and sexist, and now they think it's okay, but he's still big business. And regardless if Trump wins, the Koch bros and Sheldon Adelson are still going to be pulling the strings behind the scenes for the GOP.


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17 May 2016, 11:09 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The Democrats ARE the party of big business, look at where all the corporate money has been going these last few elections. They no longer represent the interests of the working class, they actively work against them. Most Republicans aren't any better but the Republican establishment has been overthrown and things will never be the same again. Bill Kristol will be supporting Hillary before it is all said and over with, let that sink in.


Actually, for all his populist rhetoric, Trump still is the epitome of big business. The only difference is, he's saying things people were afraid to say, because it's racist and sexist, and now they think it's okay, but he's still big business. And regardless if Trump wins, the Koch bros and Sheldon Adelson are still going to be pulling the strings behind the scenes for the GOP.


That's funny as Charles Koch actually said that he might vote for Hillary Clinton who already takes her orders directly from the oligarchs as proven by Wikileaks. You can't justify voting for Hillary except for blind partisanship. You'd find a racist under your pillow if you looked, you're obsessed but there is nothing racist or sexist about Trump or his policies.



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18 May 2016, 12:19 am

Exactly.



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18 May 2016, 1:40 am

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Jacoby wrote:
The Democrats ARE the party of big business, look at where all the corporate money has been going these last few elections. They no longer represent the interests of the working class, they actively work against them. Most Republicans aren't any better but the Republican establishment has been overthrown and things will never be the same again. Bill Kristol will be supporting Hillary before it is all said and over with, let that sink in.


Actually, for all his populist rhetoric, Trump still is the epitome of big business. The only difference is, he's saying things people were afraid to say, because it's racist and sexist, and now they think it's okay, but he's still big business. And regardless if Trump wins, the Koch bros and Sheldon Adelson are still going to be pulling the strings behind the scenes for the GOP.


That's funny as Charles Koch actually said that he might vote for Hillary Clinton who already takes her orders directly from the oligarchs as proven by Wikileaks. You can't justify voting for Hillary except for blind partisanship. You'd find a racist under your pillow if you looked, you're obsessed but there is nothing racist or sexist about Trump or his policies.


Actually, I recall Koch saying he might be able to support Clinton if her actual policies don't reflect her current rhetoric. Or in other words, I don't see a Koch supporting her.
And a racist under my pillow? I actually turn my pillow over during the night for the cool side, and I don't recall David Duke, Bob Jones, or Pat Buchanan ever being under there.
As for my obsession with Trump's racism: as a matter of fact, his supporters have expressed their racism, including acts of violence which they say was inspired by Trump. His demonization of all Muslims - even Americans of the Muslim faith, and refugees who are themselves victims of terrorism - is clearly playing up to people's bigotry. Trump has also said most white victims of violence had been attacked by blacks, which clearly is not true, but was eaten up by many of his supporters.


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18 May 2016, 12:17 pm

Trump speaks the truth and not many people want to here it. Blacks in inner cities do commit a lot of crime, especially violence towards each other and whites. That's no secret, yet liberals like to pretend it is. I live in Baltimore, I know first hand how it is. Does that mean all blacks are bad? No, of course not; however a white man going into an inner city is like a black man walking through KKK territory. To pretend blacks can't also be raciest is just asinine. Secondly, the government has already admitted that they can't do background checks on all the "refugees" coming in. So we should just spend all this money on potential terrorists coming into the country while our homeless starve in the streets? You have your priorities out of order. Again, if Hillary had an R next to her name you wouldn't be voting for her. You're a blatant idiot if you think an R or a D next to a candidates name matters.



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18 May 2016, 12:23 pm

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Please explain how the democrats have been any better? If you believe in the left/right paradigm, you have a lot to learn. There are only two parties, the establishment and the anti-establishment. Both democrats and republicans belong to both of those parties.


And yet you're voting for a flaring Republican? You do realize he supported the Clintons, right?



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18 May 2016, 12:31 pm

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Please explain how the democrats have been any better? If you believe in the left/right paradigm, you have a lot to learn. There are only two parties, the establishment and the anti-establishment. Both democrats and republicans belong to both of those parties.


And yet you're voting for a flaring Republican? Don't play the moderate Independent, I've seen your other comments.

I'm voting for the republican that has a shot at winning. A republican that has the most libertarian stances of any candidate in a long time running for office that has a great shot at winning. I'm not a moderate independent, I'm a libertarian/constitutional moderate. I'm certainly not voting for a sociopath that got American soldiers killed, that takes bribe money from Saudi Arabia and that puts the national security of the United States at risk.



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18 May 2016, 12:42 pm

CommanderKeen wrote:
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Please explain how the democrats have been any better? If you believe in the left/right paradigm, you have a lot to learn. There are only two parties, the establishment and the anti-establishment. Both democrats and republicans belong to both of those parties.


And yet you're voting for a flaring Republican? Don't play the moderate Independent, I've seen your other comments.

I'm voting for the republican that has a shot at winning. A republican that has the most libertarian stances of any candidate in a long time running for office that has a great shot at winning. I'm not a moderate independent, I'm a libertarian/constitutional moderate. I'm certainly not voting for a sociopath that got American soldiers killed, that takes bribe money from Saudi Arabia and that puts the national security of the United States at risk.


I changed my comment because it wasn't unnecessarily snappy. But at one point Trump supported the Clintons during their time in the oval office.



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18 May 2016, 1:20 pm

I know he did, but my statement still holds true. If I could pick anyone, it would be Rand Paul. We saw how far Rand got though.



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18 May 2016, 1:38 pm

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Trump speaks the truth and not many people want to here it. Blacks in inner cities do commit a lot of crime, especially violence towards each other and whites. That's no secret, yet liberals like to pretend it is. I live in Baltimore, I know first hand how it is. Does that mean all blacks are bad? No, of course not; however a white man going into an inner city is like a black man walking through KKK territory. To pretend blacks can't also be raciest is just asinine. Secondly, the government has already admitted that they can't do background checks on all the "refugees" coming in. So we should just spend all this money on potential terrorists coming into the country while our homeless starve in the streets? You have your priorities out of order. Again, if Hillary had an R next to her name you wouldn't be voting for her. You're a blatant idiot if you think an R or a D next to a candidates name matters.


Trump said most whites who are murdered had been murdered by blacks. Now, that is blatantly baseless.
And even if we can't check out every refugee, the fact remains, these fleeing Syria are themselves victims of terrorism, not the terrorists themselves. Turning these desperate people away is based solely on racism and religious bigotry. C'mon, we're Americans; plenty of us are the descendants of people running away from something, and should be willing to express compassion to others in the same boat.
And that R behind Trump's name carries with it everything I'm against politically and socially, and that's why the D behind Clinton's or Sanders' names is so important.


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18 May 2016, 1:47 pm

See, I knew you were an idiot and that final statement proves it. So we should help these "refugees" even after a good portion of them turned out to be terrorists and even at the expense of our own citizens? That's like helping a total stranger that just came from prison, over helping your own family. Also, check crime statistics. Blacks do kill a lot of whites, it's just not reported in the media like when whites kills blacks. Since you vote blindly for a party, you represent everything that is wrong with this country and why it's turned into the country we have today. Believe it or not I used to be a liberal, then I woke up.



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18 May 2016, 2:08 pm

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See, I knew you were an idiot and that final statement proves it. So we should help these "refugees" even after a good portion of them turned out to be terrorists and even at the expense of our own citizens? That's like helping a total stranger that just came from prison, over helping your own family. Also, check crime statistics. Blacks do kill a lot of whites, it's just not reported in the media like when whites kills blacks. Since you vote blindly for a party, you represent everything that is wrong with this country and why it's turned into the country we have today. Believe it or not I used to be a liberal, then I woke up.


First off, there's no need for personal insults. I'm not a snitch so I'm not going to report you, but that doesn't mean others on WP are as gracious as I am.
As for who perpetrates violence against whites - the fact remains, most white crime victims are offended against by other whites, as most black crime victims as offended against by other blacks. Human predators tend to hunt in their own groups.
And again, most of the refugees are not terrorists. Most are in fact women and children, or are family men. The claim that most Syrian refugees are single men is a lie repeated by the right. And even if we can't check out every one of them, those we do have information on reveals they are who they say they are - people running for their lives. Are we supposed to turn those away, too?
And if you were a liberal once, then the Repubs can have you.


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01 Jun 2016, 12:49 pm

Wow - he really *is* running things just like his casino businesses. Trump announced yesterday that his campaign is bankrupt. $44 million in debt, with around $4 mil actual funds. Don't know if that's before or after the promised donation to the vets he finally made. He's telling the GOP that they need to loan him the funds to continue his campaign, problem is they don't have much more than he does. Oh, also - that $44 million in debt is owed to a Donald J. Trump. It's starting to look like he personally only has a fraction of the wealth he claimed a year ago, his campaign is broke, the GOP is near broke but he's going to force them to find emergency funding for his campaign. Which will then go to pay off....Donald Trump.


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01 Jun 2016, 1:00 pm

Where'd you hear that? The Onion? Attacking Trump's wealth is literally one of the stupidest campaign tactics I can think of, that's what Hillary is seriously pushing right now. Lets see her justify her wealth which is in the hundreds of millions almost all gained in the last 15 years. She's made a lot of promises to a lot of people, a mercenary, that's why she was at Trump's wedding like the parasite she is. :lol:

Trump can't finance the general election, he has said as much and that's because the party of capital and Wall Street is prepared to spend billions to defeat him. They've run something like 60,000 negative ads against Trump already; they might break a million by November.



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03 Jun 2016, 2:33 am

And then there's this:

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Trump Has a Conflict-of-Interest Problem No Other White House Candidate Ever Had - He owes at least $100* million to a foreign bank that's battled with US regulators.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... tsche-bank

*Minimum - he only has to report the first $50 mil of each of two debts he owes the bank. Actual value above $50 mil each is unknown.

But this gives some idea of the scope of the problem:
http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/donald-trump-debt/

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"Donald Trump Is Understating His Debt by $500 Million" - Fortune.com


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03 Jun 2016, 5:34 am

How has it come to this? How has America gone from men worthy of having their faces carved into a mountain to Donald Trump or Hilary Clinton as supposedly the best America has to offer?