Man turns dog into "nazi", gets arrested

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No...I don't see the irony in what I'm saying.

No....my solution is not some Orwellian vision or anything.

Just show the truth. Show the concentration-camp films.

Man....people just take incredible leaps of logic sometimes!! !! !

Where'd you get the idea that I was questioning the "ruggedness" of the British people?

The irony is that you're suggesting using Nazi tactics to defeat Nazism.
The Nazis were fond of thought-policing, book burning, and "purging".

I'm not talking about that kind of "purging."

I would never advocate burning "Mein Kampf." In fact, I would encourage people to read it.

No...I don't believe in "thought-policing." I believe people's thoughts are their own. Even extremely violent thoughts. I only believe in prosecuting ACTIONS.

They once arrested some guy for FANTASIZING about being a cannibal. I was always against that arrest. One's thoughts must not be made a subject of prosecution.

And force people to watch it.



Whereas others are inconsistent with their logic and use worryingly irregular grammar.



Where did you get the idea that "rugged" should be separated from "sensibilities"? Context is everything, KK. Care to take another crack at comprehending my post?

This is not English class. I'm at work. I have no time to edit, really.

As long as I what I say is clear.

Where was I "inconsistent" with my logic? I sense somebody is using rhetorical techniques here.

Yeah...I understand...you felt like I was being presumptuous when I PRESUMED to understand British resolve. Because I'm not British, you don't feel I should "speak" for British people. No sir....I don't presume that at all.

No, sir. I was admiring British resolve. I admire the considerable stoicism under fire which people exhibited during the Blitz. Do you find anything wrong with that?

But, of course....I'll never win with you....so what's the use of arguing?

There is a kind of purging, in which both sides of a Hegelian dialectic are played against eachother, for mutual effect.

Yuri Bezmenov (Youtube) considered it a form of demoralization.

Demoralization is followed by crass, social utilitarianism.

The Coachman's evil plan --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stJkEg8jP6A

All dictatorships, of which I am aware, have their beginnings in moral vice, which, in this children's cartoon, transforms the mischievous, little boys into beasts of burden.

German fascism had reportedly begun with perverts and thugs, in beer halls, during an era of fantastical hyperinflation, somewhat like today.

We have become lax, and the pendulum of history has swung toward Holocaust jokes. Why should donkeys resist.

You have suggested that:

He should not be arrested.
He should be "taught some kind of lesson".
"[H]e should be forced to watch films on concentration camps, and how they disposed of people."

I contend that it is logically inconsistent to suggest that he has broken no laws yet should be made to endure a Clockwork Orange-esque reprogramming.



That was precisely your presumption when you made reference to the "sensitivity" of Brits regarding the Nazis. The suggestion appeared to be that ridiculing the Nazis would offend the sensibilities of the British public. Anyone who knows anything about our culture - especially our comedy - will recognise the intrinsic wrongness of such a statement. Parodying Hitler and chums has been nigh-on a national sport since 1945.



My objection is to your conclusions, as I've already made clear. It is quintessentially un-British to deprive a man of his freedom for expressing an unpopular opinion - and yet here we are (as I'm oft reminded) in 'current year', doing precisely so.



If your aim is to 'win', then there's absolutely no point at all. I'm not here to play games, I'm here to challenge your assertions.

I sympathize with Kraftie, but I dont really agree with him. The guy's video IS free speech. Not much anyone can do, or should do, about it except to use free speech yourself to express being offended.

To tell ya the truth- the opening moment of the film clip when the dog raised it's paw to "sieg heil" actually did make me start to laugh. The guy shoulda quit right there while he was ahead.

After that the guy would do that whispering of "gas the Jews" thing that both went beyond the pale, and also made it ambiguous as to what his intent is (to make fun of Nazis, or to be a Nazi).

Regardless of his intent he is entitled to free speech. But I wish his speech were more clear in its intent.

The reason that the dog raising its paw struck me as funny was because it implied (whether the guy intended that message or not) that the followers of Hitler were just like trained dogs saluting on command.

Its also reminds me of a quip Victor Borg would make on stage when the comedian/pianist was still living in his native Denmark in the 30's when Hitler was rising to power in neighboring Germany:that Germans "lift their right arms to Hitler because they can't lift their right legs"[the way dogs can- in order to do what...you get the idea]..

Just when I think England can't outdo itself, it does. Again. Still.

Scotland, not England.

Lol!

I thought I was the only "geography gendarme" in WP!

Yes- that video IS an example of "Britain outdoing itself", but strictly speaking its not accurate to say that it's an example of "England outdoing itself"!

Fetch the pitchforks!

Please don't compare my views on things with pitchfork people. I look nothing like that guy in "American Gothic."

I think he was referring to Drake, and to Scottish folks being insulted to be lumped into the hated neighboring tribe. The conversation has already drifted far from anything to do with what you were talking about.

Scotland, England, same thing...