Should old people no longer have a vote? Democracy?

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28 Jun 2016, 9:49 am

I never said that conservatives were racist by definition. The person I quoted seems to suggest that ageism is a form of racism. I was merely saying I wasn't a racist. I do believe that there is a strong base of conservatives who are also racist. I also believe these people don't process fear as most people do. So, if that makes a racist, then that suggests that being conservative makes you a racist. I don't believe there is a 1 to 1 correspondence between the two.



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28 Jun 2016, 10:47 am

Ageism is akin to racism. It's prejudice against a group merely because it's a group.

Any time somebody suggests that a group doesn't have the right to participate in the democratic process, I don't feel good about it.



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28 Jun 2016, 10:48 am

pcuser wrote:
I never said that conservatives were racist by definition. The person I quoted seems to suggest that ageism is a form of racism. I was merely saying I wasn't a racist. I do believe that there is a strong base of conservatives who are also racist. I also believe these people don't process fear as most people do. So, if that makes a racist, then that suggests that being conservative makes you a racist. I don't believe there is a 1 to 1 correspondence between the two.

But you do not say you are not an "ageist" I notice. Only deny being racist.
And then say the base of conservatives (not simply "there are conservatives") of any party are racists.
And you are still presuming this armchair theory of "left" rhetoric used to keep their minority vote that the majority of conservatives are racist.
And not only that but those that chose conservative views are more fearful than normal with an unnatural response to said fear?

Interesting way to justify your view


Ageism acted upon IS DISCRIMINATION. Racism acted upon IS DISCRIMINATION. So in loose definition they can be the same.

And with love from Mishka a breakdown of the terms that are used improperly because their root similarities:
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Bias: A preference for or against something. This can be positive, negative, or neutral. For instance: My mom says I'm the best, but she's biased.

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Prejudice: A strong bias, usually negative. You can say prejudiced toward. Typically if someone is prejudiced against something, they have strong feelings about not liking it, regardless of context.

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Discrimination: The
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based on a prejudice. Discrimination is when you put your thoughts/feelings about a specific person or group of people into action. Someone who just feels uneasy around gay people is prejudiced. Someone who won't hire them is practicing discrimination.

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Bigotry: A strong prejudice based on hatred of a certain group of people. One is usually a bigot towards a specific group, whether that be gay people, foreigners, or anything else. A bigot tends to not only hold these views, but speak them and act on them.

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Reactionary Discrimination: The same as regular discrimination, but it is instigated by something the person perceives as a threat. For instance, if a new mosque is being built in your neighborhood and you start turning Muslim people away from your restaurant, that is reactionary discrimination. Its origin is an event related to the person's disliked group.


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28 Jun 2016, 10:55 am

As it says right on my post, I'm 66 years old. So, being ageist, I don't think so. There is also strong evidence that conservatives process fear differently than the rest of us. The Amygdala is the part of the brain where studies indicate this. It also is strongly tied to racism...



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28 Jun 2016, 5:44 pm

pcuser wrote:
As it says right on my post, I'm 66 years old. So, being ageist, I don't think so. .

KK got that memo 8) Though you seem blase about the wish for mothers to take your voting rights.

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There is also strong evidence that conservatives process fear differently than the rest of us. The Amygdala is the part of the brain where studies indicate this. It also is strongly tied to racism...


Research done by who, where, what controls and what size. Plus under what definition of conservative?

I thought Amygdala Hijacking is stuff all about over emotional knee jerk "triggered" behaviors that send you scurrying for safe space or a gun. What study decided it is a trait of their definition of conservative?
Conservative by definition are not so much into change or fast decisions on events. Are in to control or semblance to.

And brains rewire. That is why head injury, stroke and autism can be overcome. So what come first the different bran or a path of the selected thinking?

And what of split people like me? if not fear of big govt and the bad fiscal uses to abuses, I'd still be a progressive wearing blue.

It would be interesting to see. maybe you have links or study name? :mrgreen:


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28 Jun 2016, 6:05 pm

I don't have any research at my fingertips. You should look for it yourself if you don't believe me. I'm not making this up. Genetics along with other recent research is pointing in that direction. Why do you think Republicans use fear to garner support from people who fear stuff that isn't real or isn't worth fearing?



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28 Jun 2016, 6:46 pm

pcuser wrote:
. Why do you think Republicans use fear to garner support from people who fear stuff that isn't real or isn't worth fearing?

And you lose the value gained . Sorry fear mongering is used by both.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/inter ... 3MJK_kkq01

Found a theory postulated by a Therapist done using the research for their own theories.
Though it points to conservatives as being more survival oriented and anxious ...we may become anxious because same research find
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Recent work has shown a correlation between liberalism and conflict-related activity measured by event-related potentials originating in the anterior cingulate cortex. Here we show that this functional correlate of political attitudes has a counterpart in brain structure. In a large sample of young adults, we related self-reported political attitudes to gray matter volume using structural MRI.
LAWL.

So nobody is a winner. No chicken dinner for you hoooomans!

Ad they do not have research on if changing parties changes size or connections as yet.



https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/th ... ts-anxiety also speaks about autism.


Interesting

I'd like to see breakdowns and further study with ages (some done with kids but not a full spectrum), gender, how static is household (2 parent vs 1. Need to hurry since they are getting rarer per generation ), nutrition, culture, region (does it change by how warm or cool climate is?) and last after other are in a finished state, race (its last because you have to find age, class and upbring first before that can of worms distracts).


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28 Jun 2016, 6:58 pm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19566756
Smaller amygdala is associated with anxiety in patients with panic disorder.
and the govt says opposite on the studys...lel That the smaller "liberal leaning" sample is more anxious >_<

So much for science as the answer for now


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30 Jun 2016, 11:53 am

more 65+ voted to remain than 18-24 year olds

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30 Jun 2016, 12:44 pm

The chart is irrelevant because "abstain" wasn't an option.

Changes in voter registration made it hard for a lot of young people to register to vote. In any case, it's well documented that young people often simply aren't in the habit of voting.

Compare the proportion that voted to the portion that didn't, and then look at who voted for what within the group that voted.



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30 Jun 2016, 1:07 pm

Abstain most definitely is an option unless there was a gun to your head demanding you pick remain or leave, more than 60% of 18-24 year old's didn't vote so a higher % of the Remain vote were people 65+ than it was 18-24 year olds. Proportionally in their age group, doesn't really matter when most don't vote. Thought it was a funny contrast considering how people were whining about old people voting.



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30 Jun 2016, 3:41 pm

That chart seems to reflect my presumption on the leavers being those that are working class eithe runemployed and after education debt comes due or blue collar & labor. The ages not eligible for any perks to help them thru, The most taxed class.
The retiree expats are gonna say stay >_<


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