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11 Nov 2016, 3:17 am

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I've read this eye-opening article a while ago: https://stateofmind13.com/2016/05/13/th ... liticians/



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11 Nov 2016, 3:19 am

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I've read this eye-opening article a while ago: https://stateofmind13.com/2016/05/13/th ... liticians/


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Let’s Not Be Proud Of Everyone Who Happens To Be Lebanese Anywhere and Everywhere?

stay away from any information on paulo maluf then :lol:

luckily he never got to be president. but under some kind of perfect storm, it could have happened


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11 Nov 2016, 3:31 am

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I've read this eye-opening article a while ago: https://stateofmind13.com/2016/05/13/th ... liticians/


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Let’s Not Be Proud Of Everyone Who Happens To Be Lebanese Anywhere and Everywhere?

stay away from any information on paulo maluf then :lol:

luckily he never got to be president. but under some kind of perfect storm, it could have happened


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Maluf
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Interpol has issued a Red Notice to arrest Maluf, extradite him and try him in the United States on charges of conspiracy and criminal possession.[1][2]


Oh dear....



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11 Nov 2016, 3:35 am

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Maluf
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Interpol has issued a Red Notice to arrest Maluf, extradite him and try him in the United States on charges of conspiracy and criminal possession.[1][2]


Oh dear....

lol i told you. and that doesn't even begin to describe the supervillain that that guy is. almost certainly the biggest thief in the history of this country, by a large margin

that being said, to brazilians, the difference between lebanese-brazilian and german-brazilian is almost like splitting hairs. no one really cares about it, except maybe when it comes to learning about their own ancestry. to be honest i actually thought "temer" was a german name, and only found out it wasn't just a month ago or so. i just know that someone who is elected as someone's shadow and then plots to overthrow them probably shouldn't be trusted...


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11 Nov 2016, 3:39 am

A brazilian once told me "Lebanese in Brazil are like the Jews, filthy money-mongers and you help only each other".

No offense to the jews, I am just saying his words.

Now I am seeing why he was resentful. :lol:

There are probably more Lebanese in Brazil than Lebanon's population, and most of them are Maronite Christians whom their ancestors escaped the Ottoman rule.



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11 Nov 2016, 3:46 am

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A brazilian once told me "Lebanese in Brazil are like the Jews, filthy money-mongers and you help only each other".

hehe well, i guess that that one person did remember that paulo maluf is lebanese then...


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11 Nov 2016, 5:46 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
A brazilian once told me "Lebanese in Brazil are like the Jews, filthy money-mongers and you help only each other".

No offense to the jews, I am just saying his words.

Now I am seeing why he was resentful. :lol:

There are probably more Lebanese in Brazil than Lebanon's population, and most of them are Maronite Christians whom their ancestors escaped the Ottoman rule.


Certain themes and memes reappear, including in bigotry.

In 1890 the king of Thailand wrote a book about how much he hated the ethnic Chinese in his country. The title of the book was "The Jews of the Orient".

BTW he was the son and successor to THE "King" who was played by Yul Brynner in the "King and I".



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11 Nov 2016, 8:12 am

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
A brazilian once told me "Lebanese in Brazil are like the Jews, filthy money-mongers and you help only each other".

No offense to the jews, I am just saying his words.

Now I am seeing why he was resentful. :lol:

There are probably more Lebanese in Brazil than Lebanon's population, and most of them are Maronite Christians whom their ancestors escaped the Ottoman rule.


Certain themes and memes reappear, including in bigotry.

In 1890 the king of Thailand wrote a book about how much he hated the ethnic Chinese in his country. The title of the book was "The Jews of the Orient".

BTW he was the son and successor to THE "King" who was played by Yul Brynner in the "King and I".


I would take as a compliment, because the jews as a group/community, are historically successful.



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11 Nov 2016, 8:23 am

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I would take as a compliment, because the jews as a group/community, are historically successful.

there aren't that many jews in brazil, but i know of one in my town. he runs a computer store. in business for 20 years by now, and his store is still the best one in town. he likes to talk to all his customers whenever he can make himself available, even if you're just looking for a $5 mouse or something. his son was my classmate and friend in (catholic) elementary school. they're very nice people

i had a jewish classmate in college though who was pretty annoying. there's an actual jewish community in são paulo, so it's a different thing. he seemed like a zionist type, completely defined by his jewishness. had spent some time in israel and all. seemed to believe he was better than everybody else. although i once approached one of those guys who wear funny old-style clothes and hat and funny curly hair and stuff, to ask for directions, and he seemed pretty friendly, so there's that... lol


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11 Nov 2016, 9:08 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
A brazilian once told me "Lebanese in Brazil are like the Jews, filthy money-mongers and you help only each other".

No offense to the jews, I am just saying his words.

Now I am seeing why he was resentful. :lol:

There are probably more Lebanese in Brazil than Lebanon's population, and most of them are Maronite Christians whom their ancestors escaped the Ottoman rule.

about that (following an off-topic tangent, but... my thread, my rules :D), i think that that person was probably being facetious. like the way we talk about people from rio, or the way brazilians talk about argentinians or the portuguese. if not, then i think the reputation is unwarranted

when i was moving to são paulo for college (first time living in a big city, and a huge one at that. pretty daunting, and i didn't know anyone there), i needed curtains for my apartment. i found a store nearby run by a lebanese guy (he had an accent, so i assume he was actually from lebanon). he wanted to know my story and stuff. when i told him where i was from, he was so excited. "you're kidding me! such a nice town! i have a property there! i'll give you a discount. and if you need anything, you have an uncle here in the city now!". he gave me his phone number and told me to call him if i needed any help adjusting to the city. obviously i never even considered calling the guy, but i appreciated it anyway

not to mention the lebanese-born colleague in my research group who always liked to cook something for the group and really seemed to enjoy it, and even remembered what each person liked or didn't like, or who was vegetarian and whatnot (i learned to ignore the cockroach-like appearance of dried dates... :lol:. they're actually tasty)

so... yeah, not everybody is a temer or a maluf :wink:


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11 Nov 2016, 12:38 pm

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Omg. Jesus help me. Anyone who doesn't want to be here just leave. It's really that simple. It's like listening to a broken record over and over. Bye.

Get off your high horse angela, climb down from your lofty throne of white privilege, and realize that for most of us it's not that simple. The fact that you think the average American can afford to pack up and move to Canada or Mexico shows a laughably naive and privileged worldview. Some of us are wary of even going overseas for vacation; Muslims who travel abroad tend to find themselves on government watchlists. In the Racist States of America, the only thing scarier than a black with a gun, is an Arab with a passport.



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11 Nov 2016, 1:06 pm

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If other countries don't respect you, then they can push you around. They think they can bully you - that's where the military comes in - you have to be able to show you can defend yourself.

i think we're getting to the core of the matter, and i think i'm starting to get it: it's zero-sum mentality. "if someone else gains anything, it immediately means you lose something". the world may or may not fear the u.s. (the world probably does fear the u.s., because, well, there's reason to), but the world will never respect it as long as it maintains that mentality and that attitude. and you're right: if other countries don't respect yours, then your country risks being bullied. but bullied by whom? exactly by those who are so afraid of being bullied

it's a widely-known fact that the united states was instrumental in the establishment and maintenance of horrible dictatorships throughout south america in the second half of the 20th century (as well as in several other places around the globe). people here don't usually care about it that much, because it's just what empire builders do, and clinging to pride doesn't help anyone. but make no mistake: the world resents and distrusts the u.s., and will only resent it more and more if it doesn't learn to just mind its own business and take care of its own problems (which clearly are plenty)

to give you an idea of what i'm talking about: when the twin towers were struck, i was in high school. immature kids as we were, we didn't care about politeness or political correctness or future implications. so half of the students cheered when they heard the news. the other half just didn't care. and no one cared to reproach those who cheered. we didn't want americans to suffer, we didn't want any wars to happen, but we were just too tired of constantly reading and watching news about the u.s. doing whatever it pleases and never stopping to actually contemplate the consequences of their attitude, simply because those consequences always happened elsewhere, with so many americans blindly following their leaders who preach their inherent righteousness

the bottom line is your country's "greatness" is bad for you. it's what gives you reason to live in fear


Please allow me to make a small change?:

You said: "it's a widely-known fact that the united states was instrumental in the establishment and maintenance of horrible dictatorships throughout south america in the second half of the 20th century"

I say: it's a widely-known fact that the greedy and stupid politicians in the united states was instrumental in the establishment and maintenance of horrible dictatorships throughout south America in the second half of the 20th century.
Let's be clear these are NOT the American PEOPLE starting this horrible mess. You seem to equate the two.

If you think your people will still cheer, after learning this...then the hell with them; they deserve what they get...probably promoted by their government's control of the news media. Stupid kids.



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11 Nov 2016, 1:09 pm

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I say: it's a widely-known fact that the greedy and stupid politicians in the united states was instrumental in the establishment and maintenance of horrible dictatorships throughout south America in the second half of the 20th century.

lol, shitstorm here we go

if that wasn't already abundantly clear from what i've said so far, then you're just not reading it. either way, facts are facts whether you like them or not. people get pissed off with the u.s., and it's not just random. whether or not their reactions are morally sound or justifiable is another matter entirely. the fact remains. offended or not, ignore it at your own risk. it's up to you to judge whether or not it matters to you

you seem to be the one equating "the u.s." with "americans". which is pretty much my point here, the very thing i don't understand

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11 Nov 2016, 1:26 pm

Besides, believing in American ideals does not constitute expecting anyone to leave. This isn't how democracy works. That is not the characteristics of a free state. We live in America to enjoy freedom and openness, not intolerance and persecution. If we forfeit getting along with each other by saying things like if you don't like something get out of here, we are forgetting or neglecting the ideals of our culture and government.



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11 Nov 2016, 1:49 pm

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Besides, believing in American ideals does not constitute expecting anyone to leave. This isn't how democracy works. That is not the characteristics of a free state. We live in America to enjoy freedom and openness, not intolerance and persecution. If we forfeit getting along with each other by saying things like if you don't like something get out of here, we are forgetting or neglecting the ideals of our culture and government.

and that's something i hope won't be coming back in this country where i live right now. i don't think it will, but right now things are uncertain (and developments in the u.s. certainly influence developments here. ideas are contagious, for better or worse)

i am very lucky though that i do have the option to leave whenever i want. i just need to pack and go. which i already intend to, for personal reasons. but even when the option exists, it shouldn't come down to fear


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11 Nov 2016, 3:28 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Besides, believing in American ideals does not constitute expecting anyone to leave. This isn't how democracy works. That is not the characteristics of a free state. We live in America to enjoy freedom and openness, not intolerance and persecution. If we forfeit getting along with each other by saying things like if you don't like something get out of here, we are forgetting or neglecting the ideals of our culture and government.


On the flip side, it's not democratic to be saying that if such-and-such happens then I'm leaving the country. That's the extreme example of intolerance and that's when I say "if you don't like it then get out".


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