What you feel about new America under Trump:-) ?

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16 Nov 2016, 5:08 am

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so I should beg my democratic congressmen and senators to go GOP and further disenfranchise me, eh?


You should beg your representative not to be stupid by being pursuant in a strategy that will not work and will cost their party big time. The GOP is already the slated winner of the midterms in 2018, the question is just how big of a wave it will be. The national Democratic party is not very popular in most of the country, perhaps in Washington things will stay the same but if you want Democratic representatives in states like West Virginia or Montana or North Dakota or Missouri or Indiana or a number of other states then this strategy would be disaster and I don't expect the Dem caucus to keep the unity to pull it off regardless. Soon enough the disgusting human being that is Harry Reid will be gone, the discourse of the US Senate will be much better without him.

There are things Democrats can work with Trump on, they should aggressively try to work with him on areas where they agree so Trump doesn't have to depend on GOP back benchers for everything. Why would you oppose infrastructure spending?



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16 Nov 2016, 5:35 am

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Why does government have to go bankrupt to solve community based problems is what we should all be asking.

Oh, but it's okay, apparently, according to you, for our government to go bankrupt, funding a program so illegals can get citizenship.

How is government going bankrupt funding that when immigrants have applied for jobs and are working?

And how can you compare a few million immigrant kids to the many millions who would pass pricey private school tuition onto the government? And what do you plan to do with all the public schools which are already there taking money from the gov. to operate? Why can't you make a few that already exist into charter schools? Why not get corporations to pour money into the public schools like they do charters? In my state, we have expensive private schools that linger a few years, absorb money from the government, then close their doors and disappear. It just happened with rip off Heritage College a couple days ago. Why would you support that kind of waste?


Charter Schools are not the same as private school, it is a school that is publicly funded but privately ran. With school the tax money follows the student, most school districts in the US spend more per pupil than your typical private school yearly tuition. Funding for schools should follow the child, parents should have ultimate choice on where to send their child to school. I personally believe that this should include private schools as well as charter, cut out the middlemen and empower parents to make their own decisions with the education money that would be allocated to their child. School choice is one of most important things we can do to level the playing field as to how it effects the achievement gap and leveling the playing field, one size fits all education does not work and if you're in a poor urban inner city then that size is more akin institutionalization or day care than real education. You can't just 'fix' things either, part of the problem with public schools is union politics from selfish teachers who stand in the way of almost all reform. Competition always makes things better, these schools are not owed money that is allocated for a child they are not educating.


Democrats can try obstructionism but they will be crushed and will get a more conservative agenda because of it, remember who controls all branches of government and remember that in 2018 the Democrats are likely going to get slaughtered in the senate possibly giving the GOP a filibuster proof majority(not that filibusters are that much of an obstacle anymore with how previous Dem majority neutered them) If people work with Trump then he might be able to pursue some of his more moderate agenda without having to wrangle the entire GOP caucus, there's zero reason for Democrats to oppose Trump's infrastructure investments as it goes beyond even what their nominee and especially sitting president have spent/proposed on the matter. If they don't involve themselves with healthcare then you will likely see a plan more crafted by Paul Ryan, is that what you want?

If Democrats won't work with Trump on anything then there is no reason to take their considerations on anything, smash everything thru and I think it will be very easy to target vulnerable Democrats in these conservative states who will be desperate to moderate themselves ahead of midterm elections. There are some sitting Democratic senators that could be targeted to switch parties, mostly notably Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Democrats are going to have a very hard time coming back since some are going to want to go further left while others from more conservative states will want to moderate, divide and conquer will be an easy strategy. You should be begging your Democratic representatives to work with Trump.

I don't mind charter schools so long as they control costs and get corporations to pitch in. In fact, I am all for corporate schools which are a combination of public schools with major corporate boosters and they do not lose corporate funding so they become too expensive for the state.
I do know one thing Republicans want to do is fund private religious schools with government money and that can become another big entitlement program if they don't watch out. Private schools can cost $35,000 a year for one child.



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16 Nov 2016, 6:28 am

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I wonders does Electors can elect other candidate (namely Hillary Clinton) than won the general election, i Heard that Hillary really support to pressure electors from US Elector College to vote on her instead Trump?

unfortunately bro, that is just a fairy tale... 2 Maryland electors don't make for a nationwide movement. but I can still dream, they can't take that away from me...


I just wonder why so many Americans are for Hilary, a careerist politician, not get me wrong if i was American i would have hard choice, Democratic party had very good liberal progressive party, yet she is a careerist while Trump promised he would not collect any penny from Presidential salary, I would like to have such a politician here in Poland :mrgreen:

On the other hand, Trump had anti LGBT stance with make feel about him, because i feel little bit queer myself :mrgreen:
Although the kind of homo and bisexuality is a sin :(
I feel a little bit Bi myself.

Here in Poland, some are making jokes about the former Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski, he is a kind of gray eminence he is the leader of Law and Justice, but the Prime Minister is Mrs. Szydło

Unlike his brother, the late Lech Kaczynski, who died in a plane crash in 2010 is a a confirmed bachelor, never married, and lives alone with his cat, some joking when he finally comes out of the closet, if you knew what i mean :mrgreen:



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16 Nov 2016, 6:45 am

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If you have a school where drugs and crime are controlling everything then it should be shut down. That's what I think. It's beyond hope.

It does happen or it should happen?

I ask because if that family should keep their kids in the crime-ridden school, unless the school shuts down, their kids are probably going to end up in a very different situation than they'd want them to. I'm not so sure people in that situation should have to suffer for unfulfilled shoulds.

So you honestly believe humans have no control over their lives and must have governmental control at all times? Lack of personal empowerment extending to the community exemplifies the slave mentality. The fundamental problem being the school has failed and isn't teaching kids even the most basic skills and no one is outraged enough to demand it end.



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16 Nov 2016, 7:16 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
So you honestly believe humans have no control over their lives and must have governmental control at all times? Lack of personal empowerment extending to the community exemplifies the slave mentality. The fundamental problem being the school has failed and isn't teaching kids even the most basic skills and no one is outraged enough to demand it end.

I'm not sure any of that is applicable.

What are you suggesting by empowerment - that the parents in that scenario get better jobs and make more money or that they picket to have the school system closed? Also, isn't having a child stuck going to a particular failing school system where they live (if they don't have the money to pay for private schooling) a government-made situation?

You might not adequately understand the voucher concept. Being in a particular school district there's a combination of federal, state, and local tax and healthy portion of property tax from home and business owners in that particular city (less if it's a particularly bad neighborhood). The concept of vouchers is deferring that money already paid in to instead fund a student's tuition at a different school of the parent's choosing.

It's probably wise to note as well that it's not necessarily all private/charter schools that are 'more expensive' than public education, it's just that you pay out of your taxes for public schools and you pay out of pocket for private schools.

Just a quick browse of google shows the cost per year of children across the US going to public schools:
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2012/ ... -to-school


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16 Nov 2016, 7:33 am

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
So you honestly believe humans have no control over their lives and must have governmental control at all times? Lack of personal empowerment extending to the community exemplifies the slave mentality. The fundamental problem being the school has failed and isn't teaching kids even the most basic skills and no one is outraged enough to demand it end.

I'm not sure any of that is applicable.

What are you suggesting by empowerment - that the parents in that scenario get better jobs and make more money or that they picket to have the school system closed? Also, isn't having a child stuck going to a particular failing school system where they live (if they don't have the money to pay for private schooling) a government-made situation?

You might not adequately understand the voucher concept. Being in a particular school district there's a combination of federal, state, and local tax and healthy portion of property tax from home and business owners in that particular city (less if it's a particularly bad neighborhood). The concept of vouchers is deferring that money already paid in to instead fund a student's tuition at a different school of the parent's choosing.

It's probably wise to note as well that it's not necessarily all private/charter schools that are 'more expensive' than public education, it's just that you pay out of your taxes for public schools and you pay out of pocket for private schools.

Just a quick browse of google shows the cost per year of children across the US going to public schools:
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2012/ ... -to-school

Private schools can be incredibly expensive and you can bet if the government starts throwing a lot of money at them, they will increase their tuition, there will be scammers, more will appear overnight. Then people will be upset and Republicans will be insisting they be defunded blah blah blah. It's the same thing all over again. We have enough of this already. Parents do have local control over schools through the PTA and I've always advocated the familiar approach toward schooling, where the school is seen as one big family where everyone is included, feels safe and teachers are supported and encouraged to do their best.



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16 Nov 2016, 9:48 am

While private schools can be very expensive, they actually pay their teachers less than public schools. People who actually want to teach are often willing to take less money so they don't have to deal with all the BS involved in trying to teach students in public schools.



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16 Nov 2016, 10:08 am

There is more money allocated to individual students in public schools per year than pretty much any private school, $35k a year would be like the school that Obama or Trump send their kids to. School choice, charter schools, vouchers, etc are empowering to the urban poor who are imprisoned in ghettos. Liberation for these people from these schools may be the difference between becoming a functioning member of society or a life of criminality, drug abuse, and hopelessness. I went to these schools I can tell you that there weren't many people making it out, this was particularly true for the black youth who were the majority in my district. Many of these kids don't have parents that are there for them, they live at the mercy of criminal gangs and drug pushers, many have special needs that cannot be met by these barely functioning schools, these people have been abandoned more than anyone and too oppose their liberation is to damn many of these kids to a life of hell. I'm lucky in a sense that I am on the spectrum since it prevented me from falling to the same demons that has claimed the souls of my peers.



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16 Nov 2016, 11:43 am

I think the socioeconomic purging is closer now.


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16 Nov 2016, 4:52 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Parents do have local control over schools through the PTA and I've always advocated the familiar approach toward schooling, where the school is seen as one big family where everyone is included, feels safe and teachers are supported and encouraged to do their best.

Do you think that's what happens in the communities where the schools are turning out gang-members and drop-outs?


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16 Nov 2016, 6:53 pm

this all can only be bad for many of the non-high-functioning aspies who will likely see attacks on their gov't benefits.



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16 Nov 2016, 8:56 pm

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this all can only be bad for many of the non-high-functioning aspies who will likely see attacks on their gov't benefits.

I that case you just have to hope he's more of a neocon than an alt-right type. My guess is that he's more neocon than the alt-right would have hoped for, my biggest concern is his mouth in foreign diplomacy.


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16 Nov 2016, 10:01 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
this all can only be bad for many of the non-high-functioning aspies who will likely see attacks on their gov't benefits.

I that case you just have to hope he's more of a neocon than an alt-right type. My guess is that he's more neocon than the alt-right would have hoped for, my biggest concern is his mouth in foreign diplomacy.

that bannon nut job that rump just hired thinks that parents of autie children should just beat on them more.



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17 Nov 2016, 12:42 am

What a relief, vaccines did not cause my autism, I was just not spanked enough.


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17 Nov 2016, 12:45 am

there is no limit to the loathing I have for people who think I am faking AS and just needed to be beat more by my dad.



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17 Nov 2016, 12:50 am

I got to hire me some private investigators and lawyers to find my old bullies. They need to be sued because they were too easy on me.


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