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30 Dec 2017, 12:49 pm

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Also, white_as_snow, since you insist on making "the opinions of feminists" into a race issue, I think the reason why many feminists often show support for non-whites and non-Christians is because the Western power complex -- which favors and is controlled by a group that largely consists of wealthy, white, Christian males -- not only oppresses women, but also oppresses most human beings who don't fit into said control group. Or to simplify it, feminists speak out in support of other minority groups because they can relate to the same struggles that other minorities commonly face.


problem is that feminists all around the world attack christianity as a whole and christians as a group, why not attack RIGHT wing christians instead of attacking the whole religion and all of its followers? Where is the critic of non-white buddhists, muslims etc? Muslims, buddhists etc opresses women and others, how on earth can feminists not see it? The whole world is not white christians, world is bigger than that.

And if feminists cares so much about minorities, where is their support for christian minorties?



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30 Dec 2017, 1:11 pm

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problem is that feminists all around the world attack christianity as a whole and christians as a group, why not attack RIGHT wing christians instead of attacking the whole religion and all of its followers? Where is the critic of non-white buddhists, muslims etc? Muslims, buddhists etc opresses women and others, how on earth can feminists not see it? The whole world is not white christians, world is bigger than that.

And if feminists cares so much about minorities, where is their support for christian minorties?

Have you ever even done any research into feminism in other parts of the world where Islam/Buddhism/Hinduism are the predominant faiths? There are people speaking out against misogynistic oppression in all parts of the world.



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30 Dec 2017, 1:23 pm

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problem is that feminists all around the world attack christianity as a whole and christians as a group, why not attack RIGHT wing christians instead of attacking the whole religion and all of its followers? Where is the critic of non-white buddhists, muslims etc? Muslims, buddhists etc opresses women and others, how on earth can feminists not see it? The whole world is not white christians, world is bigger than that.

And if feminists cares so much about minorities, where is their support for christian minorties?

Have you ever even done any research into feminism in other parts of the world where Islam/Buddhism/Hinduism are the predominant faiths? There are people speaking out against misogynistic oppression in all parts of the world.


yes i have, and they claim islam, buddhism, hinduism is the religion of peace and that the opression there is a culture problem or just radicals, they NEVER judge islam/buddhism itself or all muslims/buddhists. but on the other hand just like western feminists they bash christians (all of them) and whole christianity.

it does not make any sense for me why feminists only dislike 1 religion. ALL of the big religions are inherent violent, racist, homophobic and anti-women, when will feminists start to see that?



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30 Dec 2017, 1:32 pm

Since you are so insistent on categorizing all feminists under the umbrella of a radical and rather small part of feminism that you have encountered, I see no point in continuing this conversation. I have no interest in proverbially holding your dick while you pee.



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30 Dec 2017, 1:39 pm

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Since you are so insistent on categorizing all feminists under the umbrella of a radical and rather small part of feminism that you have encountered, I see no point in continuing this conversation. I have no interest in proverbially holding your dick while you pee.


left-feminism is what i am talking about.

with your logic, trump supporters do not dislike islam.



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30 Dec 2017, 7:21 pm

white_as_snow wrote:
spaceone wrote:
white_as_snow wrote:
problem is that feminists all around the world attack christianity as a whole and christians as a group, why not attack RIGHT wing christians instead of attacking the whole religion and all of its followers? Where is the critic of non-white buddhists, muslims etc? Muslims, buddhists etc opresses women and others, how on earth can feminists not see it? The whole world is not white christians, world is bigger than that.

And if feminists cares so much about minorities, where is their support for christian minorties?

Have you ever even done any research into feminism in other parts of the world where Islam/Buddhism/Hinduism are the predominant faiths? There are people speaking out against misogynistic oppression in all parts of the world.


yes i have, and they claim islam, buddhism, hinduism is the religion of peace and that the opression there is a culture problem or just radicals, they NEVER judge islam/buddhism itself or all muslims/buddhists. but on the other hand just like western feminists they bash christians (all of them) and whole christianity.

it does not make any sense for me why feminists only dislike 1 religion. ALL of the big religions are inherent violent, racist, homophobic and anti-women, when will feminists start to see that?

They used to. I remember back in the 1990s feminists were quite appalled by the burqa and not letting women drive. In the 1990s feminists hate Islam. In the last 20 years, that has changed.

Partly because Muslims have integrated themselves within intersectional feminism as an protected minority. In the recent past, Jews were considered to be a protected minority. Not anymore because feminists have antisemitic Muslims in their ranks.

They say things like "white people have never been oppressed" even though most of the people killed in the Holocaust had pale skin.


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31 Dec 2017, 12:34 am

This is a strawman. I'm a feminist and I don't believe any of that! Don't lump all feminists in the same boat just because you had a lousy experience with some tumblrinas.



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31 Dec 2017, 5:13 am

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This is a strawman. I'm a feminist and I don't believe any of that! Don't lump all feminists in the same boat just because you had a lousy experience with some tumblrinas.

How can it be a strawman when i see these opinions everywhere. With yout logic it is strawman that trump supporters hate islam. The feminists i talk about is left and liberal feminists btw, ofcourse not all of them are the same but not all trump supporters are the same either. However there is mainstream opinions among all Groups, and left liberal feminists have those opinions generelly.



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31 Dec 2017, 6:44 am

white_as_snow wrote:
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This is a strawman. I'm a feminist and I don't believe any of that! Don't lump all feminists in the same boat just because you had a lousy experience with some tumblrinas.

How can it be a strawman when i see these opinions everywhere. With yout logic it is strawman that trump supporters hate islam. The feminists i talk about is left and liberal feminists btw, ofcourse not all of them are the same but not all trump supporters are the same either. However there is mainstream opinions among all Groups, and left liberal feminists have those opinions generelly.

Nonsense! Only the most radical minority of the left hold such extreme views.


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31 Dec 2017, 4:29 pm

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with your logic, trump supporters do not dislike islam.

No, that's not what my logic says at all. :roll:



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31 Dec 2017, 8:05 pm

Do you read the Huffington Post? Millions do. It's one of the biggest liberal news sites on the web.

This person is employed as the Editorial Director of the "Parents" section at the Huffington Post:

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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/emily-mccombs


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31 Dec 2017, 8:26 pm

^^ Wa, Wa, Wa, Wa. ^^ :)



Yeah I guess the top ten worse acts of comatose equal that of the worst items of guilt a female wears to indulge herself in arts unknown to those who wait in the shadows for a taste of fame. Until Fireman Sam turns on the hose and sprinklers, for an all night hen party preferably away from Las Vegas, with their shady pimps and their dress codes.



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01 Jan 2018, 1:18 am

Darmok wrote:
Do you read the Huffington Post? Millions do. It's one of the biggest liberal news sites on the web.

This person is employed as the Editorial Director of the "Parents" section at the Huffington Post:

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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/emily-mccombs


Hmmmmm. This one's a real head scratcher. Let's look at the possibilities.

Possibility 1 She's actually planning to kill all men
Possibility 2 She was joking

Which of these two possibilities is more likely? I'll give you three guesses.


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01 Jan 2018, 2:17 pm

white_as_snow wrote:
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This is a strawman. I'm a feminist and I don't believe any of that! Don't lump all feminists in the same boat just because you had a lousy experience with some tumblrinas.

How can it be a strawman when i see these opinions everywhere. With yout logic it is strawman that trump supporters hate islam. The feminists i talk about is left and liberal feminists btw, ofcourse not all of them are the same but not all trump supporters are the same either. However there is mainstream opinions among all Groups, and left liberal feminists have those opinions generelly.


That's a loud and vocal minority. Not all of us get our political views from Tumblr and Buzzfeed. And, for the record, I'm a leftist and liberal intersectional feminist. There are many of us who can't stand how far some people go with identity politics and political correctness and how toxic they can get, while still disagreeing with conservative ideas and finding them appalling. And I'm not the only feminist in my leftwing friend circle who shares my opinions. And I don't hate men. My best friend is a guy and we don't even agree about everything. Again... You are creating straw feminists, based on some tumblr nonsense and making it out like we are all misandrist white haters. By that logic, I could say that all conservatives are horrible people based on something some alt right person said on 4chan, when I know that some conservatives are okay people, just a bit misguided.



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01 Jan 2018, 5:23 pm

I don't always agree with feminists on everything but if I'm going to argue against them, I'd rather argue against what they actually said rather than argue against a strawman.

If you want to defeat feminism, you need to come up with smart arguments rather than arguments that will just make them laugh.

I don't want to defeat feminism because I think most of them have good intentions but many of them are misguided. Often I agree with their intent but disagree with their methods. Instead of this petty mudslinging I'd rather have an open dialogue with feminists, so that if their methods are harmful or their arguments ineffective I can explain how and feminists will see how this dialogue can lead to a stronger and more effective feminism.

Strawmen aside feminism does have actual problems but it's better to mend feminism than end feminism. If these problems can be fixed feminism will be able to do a lot of good in the future.


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01 Jan 2018, 7:24 pm

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with your logic, trump supporters do not dislike islam.

No, that's not what my logic says at all. :roll:


but left feminists talk about chritians and christianity the same way trump-supporters talk about islam and muslims.