Creationists: This is your chance to prove yourselves.

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10 Jan 2018, 12:20 pm

Yes.

Its all just a big simulation.

We are all just characters in a game of Farmville, on a pc being used by a giant geeky kid in his bedroom in a bigger universe.

And that giant geeky kid who is controlling our destinies is himself...a character in a game of Farmville, on a pc in an even bigger universe, being played by an even bigger kid....who in turn is a character in a game of Farmville....



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10 Jan 2018, 1:00 pm

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Are you seriously arguing that life on earth was deliberately created by aliens?

Seems more plausible to me than the "nucleotides popped into existence out of pure randomness" argument.


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10 Jan 2018, 2:14 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Are you seriously arguing that life on earth was deliberately created by aliens?

Seems more plausible to me than the "nucleotides popped into existence out of pure randomness" argument.


I know that abiogenesis is a touchy subject, but let's try to approach this in a mature way with sources.


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

I've posted my sources. Do you have any?


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10 Jan 2018, 3:54 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Are you seriously arguing that life on earth was deliberately created by aliens?

Seems more plausible to me than the "nucleotides popped into existence out of pure randomness" argument.



First off you are just pushing the problem back one step, and saying that life didn't start here, but was planted here by aliens from somewhere else in the galaxy. But that just means that you still have the problem of explaining the origin of those aliens. They were presumably the product of billions of years of evolution on their planet, and so where did the seeds of THAT evolution come from? Was it planted by another group of aliens before them, and where did THOSE second aliens come from, and so on...

Its not even an explanation. Its the absence of an explanation.

Second there is no evidence that aliens exist. No evidence that aliens have visited earth. So you're solving one unknown by invoking another unknown. Like saying "Paul Bunyan must have been a real person who really existed, and he must have come from the lost continent of Atlantis".

Third: why would aliens go to the trouble? They purposely "plant the seeds of life" so...that four billion years later humans would evolve? What would be the benefit to these aliens to engage in this four billion year long project that they (as individuals, and as a civilization, and even as a species) would never live long enough to see the out come of?

Not saying that pangenesis (either naturally via comets, or accidental artificial pangenesis by litter bug alien astronauts) is impossible. But you have been talking about this same one Hollywood movie likes its proven divinely revealed religious scripture for a long time. And it isn't. Its just a Hollywood thriller. :lol:



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10 Jan 2018, 4:58 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Are you seriously arguing that life on earth was deliberately created by aliens?

Seems more plausible to me than the "nucleotides popped into existence out of pure randomness" argument.



First off you are just pushing the problem back one step, and saying that life didn't start here, but was planted here by aliens from somewhere else in the galaxy. But that just means that you still have the problem of explaining the origin of those aliens. They were presumably the product of billions of years of evolution on their planet, and so where did the seeds of THAT evolution come from? Was it planted by another group of aliens before them, and where did THOSE second aliens come from, and so on...

Its not even an explanation. Its the absence of an explanation.

Second there is no evidence that aliens exist. No evidence that aliens have visited earth. So you're solving one unknown by invoking another unknown. Like saying "Paul Bunyan must have been a real person who really existed, and he must have come from the lost continent of Atlantis".

Third: why would aliens go to the trouble? They purposely "plant the seeds of life" so...that four billion years later humans would evolve? What would be the benefit to these aliens to engage in this four billion year long project that they (as individuals, and as a civilization, and even as a species) would never live long enough to see the out come of?

Not saying that pangenesis (either naturally via comets, or accidental artificial pangenesis by litter bug alien astronauts) is impossible. But you have been talking about this same one Hollywood movie likes its proven divinely revealed religious scripture for a long time. And it isn't. Its just a Hollywood thriller. :lol:

These are questions that PHD researchers have to think about it.

Clearly, no one has any answers.

You've gotten off-topic. This topic is about "creationism & common DNA".

My point was simply, "common DNA" would not be unexpected if it originates from one source, "GOD".


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10 Jan 2018, 7:10 pm

What is "common DNA"?

Do you mean "us having DNA in common with another species"?

That IS...ONE issue that the original poster raised in the original post. But there are many other questions he asked.

Am still unclear as to what you are saying.

Are you saying "its aliens instead of God"? Or are you saying that "aliens wittingly, or unwittingly, were agents of God in pushing evolution along?". Or what?

And what does either aliens or god have to do with us having DNA in common with chimps?



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10 Jan 2018, 9:33 pm

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11 Jan 2018, 3:33 am

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What is "common DNA"?

Here's the picture ...

The picture suggests humans and chimps have "common DNA".

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11 Jan 2018, 8:23 am

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Can I use this computer to play TF2?

If you don't mind playing the game via Scrabble pieces, then sure.

I think you'd have more luck with one of those Minecraft redstone CPUs.


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11 Jan 2018, 12:57 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
What is "common DNA"?

Here's the picture ...

The picture suggests humans and chimps have "common DNA".

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So you DO mean "us having DNA in common with chimps" as opposed to just "there is a lot of the same old common DNA to be found"..



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11 Jan 2018, 10:13 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
So you DO mean "us having DNA in common with chimps" as opposed to just "there is a lot of the same old common DNA to be found"..

This topic is about that strip of human DNA that appears to be in common with chimps.

I didn't make this topic.


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11 Jan 2018, 10:38 pm

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"Aliens put us here" is one of my favorite conspiracy theories =) That we're just livestock or some creepy experiment.


What kind of farmer keeps his livestock miles away?

Aren't spacefaring aliens supposed to be smart?


Hey, maybe they are really into probing butts. Perhaps probing butts is outlawed on their own planet, so earth is a butt probing reserve. Maybe they were on a Sunday drive and thought this would be a perfect place for a butt probing vacation. Then what explains all those sickos into cutting up cows you ask? Perhaps they just didn't get to probe enough anuses when they were younger.


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11 Jan 2018, 11:21 pm

I need to ask a question. Would you be challenging Muslims to prove themselves?
I'm so sick of the way that Christians are being called out all the time.


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11 Jan 2018, 11:35 pm

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I need to ask a question. Would you be challenging Muslims to prove themselves?


Muslims creationism exists as well ... so I already did challenge them.

Creationism is more common than some people think. Jewish creationism exists. Muslim creationism exists. Hindu creationism exists. Native American creationism exists. There are even some atheists who insist that the world must have been created by aliens.

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I'm so sick of the way that Christians are being called out all the time.


Every religious group is being called out all the time.

"Those damn Buddhists! They're just a bunch of stoned hippies!"
"Those damn Muslims! They're all a bunch of camel-f***ing suicide bombers!"
"These damn atheists! They're all a bunch of fat, greasy, neckbearded, autistic adult virgins who masturbate to anime!"
"Those damn Satanists! Why do they murder black cats on Halloween? Why do they rape children? It's really sick!"
"Those damn Jews! They control the media and they won't stop stealing everyone's money!"

See? Every religious group gets this sort of thing.


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12 Jan 2018, 1:38 am

Another Common Creationist Claim: "Fish can't become land animals! If a fish crawled onto land, it would just die!"

Meanwhile, In Reality
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12 Jan 2018, 1:41 am

FACT: Whales are descendants of land mammals.


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