Should religious people be detained n mental hospitals?

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08 Mar 2018, 10:13 am

I think the OP was upset when he started the thread.

I hope he's okay now.



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08 Mar 2018, 11:17 am

Per the topic at hand of, "Should Religious People be Detained in Mental Hospitals"
per believing in something that a paradigm as a rather small "Venn Diagram" that
the Scientific Method is as antiquated as it still is in terms of measuring the depths
of the Inner Universe of Being Human that creates our reality as we go mostly based
on past experiences and how different folks perceive reality with much different potential
Emotional Feeling and Physical Sensory ways of life. It's rather short sighted to attempt to fit reality
in as small of a "Venn Diagram'' that Astrophysicist 'Rock Star', Neil Degrasse Tyson, readily admits still
to Pop Star Katy Perry that she is more fit to Measure what goes on as Art of the Inner Human Emotional
Experience than he will ever be able to do with the measured tiny scientific method that will not provide an
empirically repeatable discrete measure of what goes on deep deep deep in what Humans Perceive as all of reality
much different 'tween this or that Multi-Universe viewer of what is much different in ways of seeing all of what we
might refer to as
what reality brings now as is.

It's true, not everyone writes in just straight lines across the page unless Community Rules Dictate that.

It's true, not everyone sees red and green as 'everyone' else does.

It's true, not everyone can feel the warm and fuzzy pets and hugs and purrs of a Kitty Cat or even a Mother
or Friend or Lover if oxytocin does not flow in receptive ways in our bodies all the way from head to toe alive.

It's true, some folks experience a mirror neuron way of life so strong that they can literally feel it
when other folks touch each other across the room; classic example, of how some forms of folks
with Autism Experience the World; while to others, other human beings are just tools to move around.

And it's also true, in percentages of folks who are labeled with Schizophrenia, some of them cannot see
the so-called Illusions that come to fill in the spaces of reality that one expects to see. This also applies
to relatively small percentages of folks on the Autism Spectrum, too. So, in this case, the most severe
of Functional Disabilities can be actually seeing reality as it is, lost from the ability to fill in the
spaces of what 'reasonably' should be predicted by previous experiences of life.

Oh yeah, and another very severe limiting functional disability is some folks who
develop Dementia can not recognize the faces of close family members and this sadly is also
one of many co-morbid conditions that some experience on the Autism Spectrum too, so true
now for a much smaller reality than some others may see and feel and sense, so differently.

In other words, we don't all see the World with the same colors.

In other words, we don't all define the World in the same colors.

In other words, we all do the World in Different ways and never
do we experience the World precisely as we do in the last present
of the moment unless we are a Robot and not a Sentient Living Being.

Some Folks, Suggest a small three letter word labeled God is static and
perfect and never Changing as A Statue of a Noun-like Human-made machine.

Other Folks, actual experience and Do an ever Changing Verb of God always now
that is moving connecting and continuously co-Creating as us as part of all that is.

The Core Definition of Religion, is all the common core of bonds now in all the ways
bonds bind human beings together from Non-Verbal Language to Spoken Language
to Written Language and the Recorded Collective Information in Abstract Constructed
Symbols ranging from letters to skyscrapers that become the cultures that bind us together
as religion in terms of core bonds that bind. Politics, are the rules that come to create order
out of what otherwise mighty be chaos. Humans create this together as the Stronger Majorities rule.

Chances are, if a person asks this question at all; they don't understand what makes the whole of Humanity
even tick for basic subsistence and survival with some shelter as is. Religion is whatever brings folks together
to get the job for survival done. One can call it a Tribal God that says one must kill this and not kill that to get
that job done in Desert Scarcity with never even any feeling or sensing of doing an experience of what others now
may refer to as a Verb of God that is all Natural that one feels and senses in moving connecting and co-creating
a much larger and greater reality now to experience together as a Dance and Song that does much more than kill
and survive and moan and grown in misery loves company for the only bonds around that/who bind in darkness.

Of course, this is just a small generalization; much more to be learned for those who actually do the research so
much farther now more than tiny boxes of Twitter Talk and 5 Minute YouTube 'clippets' and such as that. Depth.
It takes a love of Depth to learn and earn to do more. Otherwise, life is more death, just death, just stagnant death.

And no that does not just apply to just the Venn Diagram that is the intelligence of Written Language for there
is a much larger Venn Diagram of Physical Intelligences and Emotional Intelligences and overall other greater
Existential Intelligences Inherited in our DNA just waiting to be Epigenetically unpacked and re-wired for
much Greater Human Potential in the cocoons of us just waiting to be opened for Butterfly wings
of a much more Colorful way of life that feels and senses more as inherited as such
through all the struggles of our ancestors all the way back to the point of
origin as Material Creation that becomes what we are as sentient standing
Star Dust Plus resurrected like the iron in our blood and in the core of
the Earth Born of Crucible Fire of Super Nova Explosions as Stars now
are we now Resurrected walking upright and speaking of our origin
as science
aided
eyes do allow
as we've earned the rights
to that knowledge now to give
and share all for free if we care to now.

It's true more and less, many folks practice a God of Death as Life.
Life is God now when one actually feels and sense all of life and
just does it more with Science and Art too.

Jesus F in Christ, even
a shoemaker gets that, if i may Jest.
It's true, some folks believe God is Devoid
And Dead of Humor and the Desire to even have Wild Free Sex.

That God is not my God and that's for damned sure. My God My God still Lives.

Perhaps, 'you' haven't been to Church lately. Church draws the most Conservative
Closed Minded Boring Folks, I have ever come aCross. But on the other hand, many of them stick
together with Love and go to the Voting Booths and Vote the same way. Voila; the result can be a Trump.
Conservative can be rather insane too; hehe; but it is what it is until really crazy fun gets out and votes freer.

Life is a balance of Guns and Roses.
Some folks like guns and some folks like roses more.
Roses are currently rising; that's the God i love most. Have a nice day with SMiLes oF FuN!!..;)


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08 Mar 2018, 11:21 am

Short answer:

No, they should not, merely for being religious.



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08 Mar 2018, 4:19 pm

They might have the nerve to claim "discrimination"

And that they have a "right" to do anything their religion allegedly mandates, such as homophobia



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08 Mar 2018, 4:24 pm

Everyone has a right to be a homophobe. It’s called freedom of thought and speech.


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08 Mar 2018, 4:29 pm

Spiderpig wrote:
Everyone has a right to be a homophobe. It’s called freedom of thought and speech.


... unless you are in the government.

Holding a homophobic opinion is covered under freedom of expression, but trying to impose homophobia on other people is a violation of their human rights.


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08 Mar 2018, 5:19 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

We might have an interesting side thread on a slightly different topic - ie. the question of whether people really mean they say when their mad. Is there some kernel of actual truth to what a person says regarding what they believe or how they feel, even if hyperextended and out of proportion with other facts? If they're angry in the moment and saying something particularly caustic, if what they're saying isn't what made them angry or at least somewhere in very tight correlation why would they say it? As an example if I got fired from a job under spurious pretenses I try to think of something else I might go on a rant about like how much I hate red traffic signs or how much modern pop music sucks, and it's tough for me to imagine going that route or doing anything like it unless I was talking to a really hostile audience. Even then that's understating or scapegoating something milder, not saying something even more controversial.


My best guess is that he had abusive religious parents...<shrug>



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08 Mar 2018, 6:14 pm

Pepe wrote:
Hang on...
How did *I* become the main focus?
I never suggested religious ppl were mentally ill...


Yes, you didn't, "fifasy" did. Now I'm getting the two of you mixed up. Great. :duh:



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08 Mar 2018, 6:17 pm

Pepe wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:

We might have an interesting side thread on a slightly different topic - ie. the question of whether people really mean they say when their mad. Is there some kernel of actual truth to what a person says regarding what they believe or how they feel, even if hyperextended and out of proportion with other facts? If they're angry in the moment and saying something particularly caustic, if what they're saying isn't what made them angry or at least somewhere in very tight correlation why would they say it? As an example if I got fired from a job under spurious pretenses I try to think of something else I might go on a rant about like how much I hate red traffic signs or how much modern pop music sucks, and it's tough for me to imagine going that route or doing anything like it unless I was talking to a really hostile audience. Even then that's understating or scapegoating something milder, not saying something even more controversial.


My best guess is that he had abusive religious parents...<shrug>


Who are we getting personal about here? If it's me, then no, I did NOT have "abusive religious parents". My parents never discussed religion, and my father was an atheist. "Fifasy"? Now I'm losing track of the conversation. :oops:



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08 Mar 2018, 6:25 pm

Pepe wrote:
I do believe theists are out of touch with the objective reality


I believe atheists are out of touch with reality. I, just like you, will also not give any reasons for why I believe this. I'll just state it as a fact and expect people to believe me. Do you see how easy (and lazy) it is to do this? Can you prove me wrong?



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08 Mar 2018, 6:27 pm

Pepe wrote:
My best guess is that he had abusive religious parents...<shrug>

Or he was at 7-Eleven and yet again there was another person in front of him at the checkout buying grenadine, and he hates grenadine! He saw them get into their car as they left and, as always, there was a Jesus fish on the bumper - the religious being the only people who could possibly have such terrible taste in beverage condiments. I'm definitely blaming it on the grenadine myself.


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08 Mar 2018, 6:56 pm

Lintar wrote:
Pepe wrote:

My best guess is that he had abusive religious parents...<shrug>


Who are we getting personal about here? If it's me, then no, I did NOT have "abusive religious parents". My parents never discussed religion, and my father was an atheist. "Fifasy"? Now I'm losing track of the conversation. :oops:


We are talking/speculating about the OP, "Fifasy" who has gone MIA...



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08 Mar 2018, 7:00 pm

Pepe wrote:
Lintar wrote:
Pepe wrote:

My best guess is that he had abusive religious parents...<shrug>


Who are we getting personal about here? If it's me, then no, I did NOT have "abusive religious parents". My parents never discussed religion, and my father was an atheist. "Fifasy"? Now I'm losing track of the conversation. :oops:


We are talking/speculating about the OP, "Fifasy" who has gone MIA...


Okay, sorry :oops:

Yes, where has he gone? He starts this (highly controversial, in my view) discussion, and then he just disappears.



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08 Mar 2018, 7:21 pm

fifasy wrote:
I think anyone who claims a being there is no proof of existing is real should be diagnosed with schizophrenia, detained against their will in a mental hospital and pumped full of drugs. It is curious that we do that to people who talk to "voices" but not to people who talk to "God".



Sanity is a concept that is VERY subjective.

Most of us on WP are on the spectrum and could easily be called 'crazy' for who or how we are. So it's quiet strange to me that you can actually suggest religious people should be put in prison for 'creative inspiration', which is not the same as schizophrenia. It already annoys me how people throw around the word schizophrenia to psychologically demonise people but the original post for this topic was ridiculous :roll:


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08 Mar 2018, 7:24 pm

Lintar wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I do believe theists are out of touch with the objective reality


I believe atheists are out of touch with reality. I, just like you, will also not give any reasons for why I believe this. I'll just state it as a fact and expect people to believe me. Do you see how easy (and lazy) it is to do this? Can you prove me wrong?


There is overwhelming scientific evidence which verifies the evolutionary process, for example...
I base my opinions on scientific evidence, personal observation and experience...
And I have made a comprehensive study on psychology...
I don't base my opinions on faith... :wink:

BTW, I was one of you mob...
A committed Christian...
I found a faith based belief system extremely intellectually constricting...
There are so many intellectual constructs out there that a faith based philosophy would deny...
I have moved on, 40 years and counting...
And loving it... :wink:



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08 Mar 2018, 7:30 pm

Goldilocks wrote:

Sanity is a concept that is VERY subjective.

Most of us on WP are on the spectrum and could easily be called 'crazy' for who or how we are. So it's quiet strange to me that you can actually suggest religious people should be put in prison for 'creative inspiration', which is not the same as schizophrenia. It already annoys me how people throw around the word schizophrenia to psychologically demonise people but the original post for this topic was ridiculous :roll:


Some of us think the OP just needed a rant...
Needed to vent...

Personally, I don't think he was talking literally...
And I speculate that he may have had abusive religious parents...

The OP has probably turned his back on this thread and I doubt he will re-post...
Time will tell...<shrug>