Are human beings capable of peaceful coexistence?

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08 Aug 2018, 2:47 pm

hobojungle wrote:
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In my own experience, I’ve found that a personal relationship with unitive consciousness through meditation is my path. I don’t ascribe to organized religions or their associates. I even hate some humans. But I believe in freedom of religion...until we don’t need freedom of religion anymore. All I can do is model though; I’ve found moralizing less effective.


Yet religions are supposed t0o be all about morals.

Yours might be a good path for you, but if you do not use your insight to try to improve the morality of those whose morals are inferior, you are helping evil grow.

Is that really what you want to do?

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How do I improve the morality of others? Is moralizing an effective means of curbing evil? Or is moralizing an evil unto itself?


If evil, then religions are definitely evil.

if good, then we should all do it.

Scriptures say it is good and urges us to correct poor theistic thinking when we see it.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Imagine how we would still be in the trees and cavbes if good people had not corrected poor thinking. Quite an ugly view eh?

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I don’t follow scripture & would rather live in a tree. I’m just different, not better.


Few scriptures hold any wisdom and good moral advice.

If you do not see the right actions scriptures advises, then you are definitely in the trees.

If you are no better than those who adore a genocidal son murdering God, then you are correct. You are no better, perhaps even worse as you do not have their brain killing indoctrination.

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08 Aug 2018, 2:58 pm

I see. Who decides which scriptures are worthy of following & which are worthy of breaking? You?



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08 Aug 2018, 3:13 pm

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A lot of people’s distasteful and immoral beliefs come directly from the Bible which is to them the “word of God.” Attacking these “Truths” will put you in league with Satan the ultimate tempter and tester of faith.


I attack lies and liars. Not the truth.

You should be happy when someone attacks Yahweh as then they can show why Satan is less evil than him.

Just show the body count. Oh wait, that might show disrespect for the one who deserves it.

Best to ignore me as you have not earned my respect thanks to you showing respect for evil.

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Yahweh is the most unpleasant character in history. I agree with you there.

Just so you know, people can disagree with each other and still have respect for each other. It’s important to learn how to be respectful when debating because it makes people more apt to listen to you.


Some issues do have a middle point but as Jesus said, be hot or cold.

Sitting on the fence shows immaturity or the failure to bring an issue to it's ultimate good or evil label.

Our morals seem to be close but you forget the intransigency of the religious from the get go. Come soft to them and they will try to take advantage.

If a decent discussion were possible with the religious, then words like Inquisition and Jihad might not exist.

They do because Christianity and Islam have no moral arguments to give and so just resort to the violence that religions are renowned for. Bastards.

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Thankfully, most religious people today don’t get involved with things like the Inquisition or the Jihad. LOL

Listen: It sounds like you’ve had some very bad experiences with religion. I certainly have, and it’s severely complicated my life, but you can’t let it make you bitter. There’s lots of good out there.

I know lots of happy people that belong to liberal churches where women and gay people are respected.

I’ve used my experiences to be more openminded and accepting of a variety of people. I’d like to get involved in LGBT and women’s rights as well. It’s a positive way of fighting back.


This is good. I do not see those groups and those who do fight for other worthy causes as showing the enemy respect.

Strange that you do not see the ongoing discrimination without a just cause as a form of Inquisition and Jihad as those have murdered many gays.

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08 Aug 2018, 3:16 pm

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I see. Who decides which scriptures are worthy of following & which are worthy of breaking? You?


Indeed.

Who does your thinking for you?

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08 Aug 2018, 7:10 pm

Do you always answer questions with questions?



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08 Aug 2018, 7:33 pm

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Do you always answer questions with questions?


Only when I think I might be talking to a brain dead believer in supernatural Gods.

I think you confirmed what I initially thought.

You might note that I answered your question before putting mine.

A person with couth would have answered.

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09 Aug 2018, 7:53 am

Couth is overrated, much like a human who might self-apply the title of bishop. :D



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09 Aug 2018, 11:07 am

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Couth is overrated, much like a human who might self-apply the title of bishop. :D


Couth would be honest and admit to not reading properly instead of putting his other foot in his fat ugly mouth.

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09 Aug 2018, 11:10 am

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.



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09 Aug 2018, 11:14 am

'Long Ago', Chatham Island, East of New Zealand was populated by fun and peace loving Polynesians. That was Before the British landed at New Zealand and informed A warlike, belligerent, cannibalistic and head hunting Group of Natives Named the Maoris that the Chatham Islands existed.

Then the Maoris Folks seized a British Brig and 900 of them loaded on board and set sail for the Chatham Islands back in 1835. The Maoris conquered the islands slaughtering and eating the locals; the other Peaceful Loving Moriori's did not resist, Ignorant of the Human 'Un-Nurtured' ways of Warfare. After 15 Years when the survivors were freed there were less than ten percent of the original 2000 Morioris surviving, as they were systematically enslaved, murdered and eaten and bred out of existence.

Anthropology 101, Suggests that war and peace depends on competition for resources and mates in most primitive cultures and this is also Seen in Chimpanzee Populations in the Congo, as far as Warring Behavior goes for access to resources and mates.

Chimpanzees and Bonobos are Separated from each other by the Congo River. The Separated Bonobo Great Ape Species are Peaceful due to a Plentiful Ecosystem and Mates where Sexual Activity is Plentiful and Mixed in the Population as an
All Natural 'Tool' for Bonding and Diffusing Aggression among most all 'Group Members'. Chimps, on the other hand, Across the Congo, where Resources for Subsistence, including Mates are not as plentiful, are observed as participating in fratricide killing their own over food and reproductive rights and other Warring Ways of 'Great Ape' Life.

Meh, as far as Human Beings Capable of Peaceful Coexistence; it's So Safe and Peaceful and Harmonious where i Live
that i can practically Leave my Doors open; Credit all the 'Conservatives' and their Stock Pile of Guns, too as even the most
Hardened of Criminals would be Foolish to Enter one of these Dwellings in Stand Your Ground Land and 4 Wheel Drives.

It's True that Humans like Bonobos do better in Peace and Harmony when everyone gets their Fill of Food and Drink and Shelter and Mates.

But it's also True, Generally Speaking that Humans who are not evolved to be fully Acquainted in a day to day Recognition of Familiarity of Working together for Common Binds and Bonds over Subsistence Gaining Activity Full of Meaning and Purpose; and in Particular Humans with their Natural Ability to Enjoy Co-Creating Holy And Sacred Feelings and Senses about what they share in Common; including the Cultural Byproducts they co-create together as Edifice of Symbols too;
yes, it's true Humans have difficulty getting along if one gets A Village of More than 200 that also my not be Homogenous in Cultural Binding over Commonly Shared Bonds; even as far as Physical Similarities too. Some folks are Afraid of Different; It's just a Natural Science Assessed Fact of Life. Some folks are not (i.e. me; not so much age least).

Yeah; it's True, there are a Whole lot of Individual Humans with all Kinds of Stress in the United States where I live
too, who can't figure out how to live according to the Finances they have and enjoy what they have. But the
Truth is if you figure your own sh88 out this is one Hell of a Party to enjoy now; Works for me, at least
but not until i figured my Sh88 out on my own. Anyway; Credit the Forefathers and the Constitution
of the United States as it works for those who figure their own sh88 out and Beat any Negative issues
Now in the Systems at Hand. it's not that Hard, Just Fearless Love Dance and Sing now within your
Means and Let Uncle Sam and Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz and all their Friends take care of the
rest in other words, too, if you don't believe LiFE is 'Magic' too, highly unlikely it will become an Oz of Fun
where you are The Dude and or Dudette behind the Curtain Directing and Producing and Acting, yes, Your Own
Life Play for Real with no one at the so-called top of the 'Faux News Pyramid' pulling your Strings as you become
the Capstone and the Eye of Wisdom at the top of the Pyramid of You. Maslow Agrees, at least too, with Ascending
and Transcending Love for all too just a notch above the Self-Actualizing Now of Figuring yourself out and what
You Will To Do Best Under Love too. And yes of course it helps to do your Best not to Harm others as Love Works Best
in Living a Life of Happiness that way in Peace and Harmony too. But Again that's for you to figure out; As not part of
Uncle
Sam's
Contract
at least for now with
you if you are Fortunate
enough to live where Freedom
of Happiness is even Possible in
A USA of Peace and Harmony at least for Freed You;
Again this works for me; if it ever does for you that's largely up to you.


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09 Aug 2018, 11:18 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.


Are you collecting flies?
I generally kill them as they are bothersome, most times.

You go ahead and respect evil and try to get close to it. I would rather destroy it.

I guess that you do not recognize that we have had to suffer immoral homophobic and misogynous religions forever thanks to those with your honey notions. How many Inquisition and Jihads do we need to suffer before fools like you recognize that those immoral religions have to go?

Do you not have a moral sense and a brain to back it up?

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09 Aug 2018, 11:23 am

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Anthropology 101, Suggests that war and peace depends on competition for resources and mates in most primitive cultures and this is also Seen in Chimpanzee Populations in the Congo, as far as Warring Behavior goes for access to resources and mates.


Sniped for brevity.

Have you seen this information?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA

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09 Aug 2018, 11:28 am

I have raised cats and dogs for around 40 years now. Generally these are one cat and one dog at a time. Both are outdoor animals. They are somewhat natural enemies. Whenever one of these animals dies, I replace the animal with a puppy or a kitten and the process continues. The animals learn to accept each other and live a peaceful existence together. But I have to train them to do this. It takes a few minutes when they are young. It is against their nature.

In some ways people are like cats and dogs. For one thing they fight like cats and dogs. But they don't have to. They have the capacity to be tolerant towards one another. So are human beings capable of peaceful coexistence? The answer is the same as the answer to the question "So are cats and dogs capable of peaceful coexistence?"


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09 Aug 2018, 11:45 am

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I have raised cats and dogs for around 40 years now. Generally these are one cat and one dog at a time. Both are outdoor animals. They are somewhat natural enemies. Whenever one of these animals dies, I replace the animal with a puppy or a kitten and the process continues. The animals learn to accept each other and live a peaceful existence together. But I have to train them to do this. It takes a few minutes when they are young. It is against their nature.

In some ways people are like cats and dogs. For one thing they fight like cats and dogs. But they don't have to. They have the capacity to be tolerant towards one another. So are human beings capable of peaceful coexistence? The answer is the same as the answer to the question "So are cats and dogs capable of peaceful coexistence?"


You likely followed the link I put elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk

Here is another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA

To your comment.
Who is training the various religions to tolerate each other and not war against each other?

I would say secular forces and laws, which deserve a lot more respect that the vile homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions. Secular law is more just than what the religions offer.

Because of that, I think your analogy is not a good one.

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09 Aug 2018, 12:32 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
You likely followed the link I put elsewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk
Here is another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA
To your comment.
Who is training the various religions to tolerate each other and not war against each other?
I would say secular forces and laws, which deserve a lot more respect that the vile homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions. Secular law is more just than what the religions offer.
Because of that, I think your analogy is not a good one.

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No, I haven't seen the youtube videos you linked. The real answer is there is no one training cats and dogs to coexist together. Not religion nor governments. Secular laws have inherent biases. Governments may make attempts to bring cats and dogs together but they tend to be ineffective. In reality, I suspect it should be the Aspies. But they are so battered and bruised and damaged they probably fail to see their mission or their skill set.

In reality, I do really have cats and dogs and they coexist together.


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09 Aug 2018, 12:43 pm

jimmy m wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
You likely followed the link I put elsewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk
Here is another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA
To your comment.
Who is training the various religions to tolerate each other and not war against each other?
I would say secular forces and laws, which deserve a lot more respect that the vile homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions. Secular law is more just than what the religions offer.
Because of that, I think your analogy is not a good one.

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No, I haven't seen the youtube videos you linked. The real answer is there is no one training cats and dogs to coexist together. Not religion nor governments. Secular laws have inherent biases. Governments may make attempts to bring cats and dogs together but they tend to be ineffective. In reality, I suspect it should be the Aspies. But they are so battered and bruised and damaged they probably fail to see their mission or their skill set.

In reality, I do really have cats and dogs and they coexist together.


Thanks for your incoherent response to what I put.

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