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05 Nov 2018, 12:03 pm

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Someone said TV is the great opiate of society.

I do not see spirituality in that manner.


I see people who base their opinions and judgements on things off of what they see on TV, just like people who read from the bible.

TV is pretty much programming what we think is right and wrong. The morals in every movie and show often end up becoming the morals of the fans who watch it.



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05 Nov 2018, 1:43 pm

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I don't believe in god because if god existed he would have prevented many disasters that were NOT supposed to have happened (the bible heavily uses deed>reward mentality and I don't think the Armenian holocaust, Jewish Holocaust, American school shootings and mass murders in Russia/China by Stalin and Mao Tse Tung were committed because those people had it coming)


This assumes God cares, though. Our happiness doesn't have to be our creator's purpose.


I'm not saying I believe in God 100% but I kind of think of the relationship between the creator and his creations as that between a struggling parent and their ungrateful children. A parent can't make all of their children happy all of the time (and apparently "God" has a LOT of children) and whenever some of their children don't get exactly what they want or need out of life they get angry at the parent and blame their misery and unhappiness on them which isn't really fair because the parent did the best they could.


That is one interpretation of God, but it comes from religious texts, not nature. Nature is indifferent, as wiser people before me have pointed out. It seems we expect God to favor us because we don't have to reckon with a more powerful species. If aliens came tomorrow and overpowered us, would we think other animals were made for our use, and God favored us?

God can show us favor, but it's humans who assume they are God's purpose.


I always wondered if there are beings out there on other planets who really aren't any different from us humans and they have thoughts and feelings too? Maybe we're not the only living creatures with free will?


Do we have free will?

"Our thoughts are ours, their ends none our own." -- Shakespeare


According to the bible YES... we do have free will and that is something even god can't anticipate. Hence why we sin and get punished in the texts. If everything was pre-determined by god there would be no sins/evil doings and everything would be done by god's will who would dictate human behavior. It is obviously cited in the bible that humans are god's purpose because it specifically says man is superior to animal, and it is mankind who according to the books are chosen by god to spread his religion (and not all men, but for the Abrahamic religions it is Abraham's descendants)

Even science dismisses determinism as a valid notion.



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05 Nov 2018, 1:49 pm

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This graphic from the chans sums up my journey pretty well. Not quite made it to the last panel yet, but who knows.

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Interestingly Richard Dawkins is now roughly between panel 2 and 3.


Just curious, how would a devout Muslim's graph will look like? Switch Christianity with Islam and Western civilization with Arab culture and tradition?



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05 Nov 2018, 3:09 pm

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Just curious, how would a devout Muslim's graph will look like? Switch Christianity with Islam and Western civilization with Arab culture and tradition?


I'm tempted to make a joke one that ends with a suicide explosion. I have no idea though. Atheism is not nearly as fashionable in the Muslim world, and they indoctrinate their kids far more thouroughly in the faith as such this journey is somewhat rarer I suspect. You should ask Boo if he is still around, though he went the other way up the graph.


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05 Nov 2018, 3:26 pm

Mikah wrote:
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Just curious, how would a devout Muslim's graph will look like? Switch Christianity with Islam and Western civilization with Arab culture and tradition?


I'm tempted to make a joke one that ends with a suicide explosion. I have no idea though. Atheism is not nearly as fashionable in the Muslim world, and they indoctrinate their kids far more thouroughly in the faith as such this journey is somewhat rarer I suspect. You should ask Boo if he is still around, though he went the other way up the graph.


Damn I just happened to make a nice joke, but please don't take offense as I don't hate Muslims in general:

You know Hawking's "Big Bang" theory about how the world was conceived? You know that it all started with a big BANG?

Well according to Islam, it's the other way around!



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05 Nov 2018, 3:37 pm

I like Wiccans. They believe all deities from every religion are real. They also believe that each one is actually the same deity.



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11 Nov 2018, 7:11 am

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I like Wiccans. They believe all deities from every religion are real. They also believe that each one is actually the same deity.


It's popular with those who share the left-wing fantasy of all religions finding common ground and living together in socialist harmony overseen by benevolent dictators.


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11 Nov 2018, 9:17 am

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I like Wiccans. They believe all deities from every religion are real. They also believe that each one is actually the same deity.


It's popular with those who share the left-wing fantasy of all religions finding common ground and living together in socialist harmony overseen by benevolent dictators.

It's better than living around a bunch of oppressive religous zealots who would have you burned at the stake or stoned to death if they felt their government would allow it like in the old days. :roll:

Hell with the way things are happening in the world today maybe that's exactly what we will revert back to. Say goodbye to human rights! If you don't believe in Jesus then no human rights for you!



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11 Nov 2018, 10:10 am

BTW I'm actually thankful to have met some Christains who really aren't so bad. The kind who actually do not judge people and practice what they preach by trying to help the world and do what is REALLY right.

The kind who don't kick their young children out on the streets for coming out of the closet or getting knocked up.

The kind who don't mock or look down on somebody for being an atheist or having a different religion.

The kind who work in soup kitchens or homeless shelters because they want to help the homeless instead of looking down on them like so many others do.

The kind who collect money for charity to help the less fortunate (and not using it as scams or illegal tax shelters).

The kind who travel to other countries doing Missionary Work not just to try and convert people but to actually offer real help to people in third world countries who are devestated by war and natural disasters while starving to death and dying of illness that is easily curable in our country.



I finally came to realize that some Christains really are not judgemental hypocrites and are actually pretty damn nice people, but it's the ones who ARE judgemental hypocrites who give the religion such a bad name.



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11 Nov 2018, 1:14 pm

Christians like others are broken people.

Some are selfish some serve others.
Some like me are still a work in progress.

Love, prayer & joy.


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11 Nov 2018, 2:08 pm

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Christians like others are broken people.

Some are selfish some serve others.
Some like me are still a work in progress.

Love, prayer & joy.

Amen (no pun intended lol)



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17 Nov 2018, 11:59 am

I was actually starting to feel optimistic lately about spirituality and believing that maybe there might actually be a higher power and an afterlife.

Then all it took was one narcissist of a Christian with a conceited view about life to shatter all that for me.

I get disappointed in myself more than I do other people. :cry:



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17 Nov 2018, 3:55 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
I was actually starting to feel optimistic lately about spirituality and believing that maybe there might actually be a higher power and an afterlife.

Then all it took was one narcissist of a Christian with a conceited view about life to shatter all that for me.

I get disappointed in myself more than I do other people. :cry:


Did the actions of the Bolsheviks put you off atheism?


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17 Nov 2018, 4:41 pm

Mikah wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
I was actually starting to feel optimistic lately about spirituality and believing that maybe there might actually be a higher power and an afterlife.

Then all it took was one narcissist of a Christian with a conceited view about life to shatter all that for me.

I get disappointed in myself more than I do other people. :cry:


Did the actions of the Bolsheviks put you off atheism?


No, it probably has to do more with the fact that it's the anniversary of my friends death and I don't want to believe that he really is gone forever.

So I'm spiritually confused. f**k me. :roll:



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17 Nov 2018, 4:45 pm

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No, it probably has to do more with the fact that it's the anniversary of my friends death and I don't want to believe that he really is gone forever.

So I'm spiritually confused. f**k me. :roll:


My condolences for your friend. What was this Christian's conceited view? I'm curious.


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17 Nov 2018, 4:52 pm

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No, it probably has to do more with the fact that it's the anniversary of my friends death and I don't want to believe that he really is gone forever.

So I'm spiritually confused. f**k me. :roll:


My condolences for your friend. What was this Christian's conceited view? I'm curious.


To quote what he said: "I'm saved by the Lord Jesus Christ, it is impossible for me to go to hell".

Sorry but every time I hear somebody who claims to be a Christian say something like that it really rubs me the wrong way.