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The_Face_of_Boo
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24 Dec 2019, 6:44 am

and btw she’s doing her masters too!



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24 Dec 2019, 8:14 am

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Well lets be fair guys, if a housewife is okay, so should a househusband.


Assuming much? I think househusbands are awesome.


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24 Dec 2019, 8:16 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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-She: Yeah, but you know *shrugging*, I am a girl, later I may not have time to learn much of that (Translation: her ambition is to become a housewife).
- Me: Oh...I see.

I wanted to pour my soft drink on her. She has no further potential in my eyes anymore.


She's not less of a human just because she wants to be a housewife.


It makes her less of an employee, an employee that the company's trainers shouldn't invest any time in improving her skill set.


Ah, fair enough.


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24 Dec 2019, 8:57 am

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Assuming much? I think househusbands are awesome.


Not assuming, just saying that if we start talking about housewives being something okay to aspire to, in regards to gender it would be fair that there are relationships where a husband take the role instead. I am sure we can agree that society, not anyone here, can be even less kind to househusbands.

Maybe a weird tangent to go off of this, but there was this show I had been watching where a female was kind of open with having sex with lots of different people, not really sure of what might be better words to use I said slut and got questioned about whether I would hold the same standards for a male character. My immediate response is that I have referred to characters like Barney Stinson as a "man slut", and I added that I have no feelings of slut shaming to anyone of either genders. But regardless the word does sound rather harsh and many people use it in a very gendered sense and in regards to double standards, I think the word given to maybe use instead was "sex-positive" or "promiscuous".

Sorry if that it offended anyone, I know it is weird to go from the topic expected gendered ideas of parenting, to perception between the genders of highly sexually active.


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24 Dec 2019, 9:01 am

Not offended at all. :)


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24 Dec 2019, 9:24 am

A man has to be extremely attractive and smooth in order to have sex with many women; and to be a “man slut”.



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27 Dec 2019, 3:33 am

Bradleigh wrote:
Well lets be fair guys, if a housewife is okay, so should a househusband.

I would hate being married to a housewife. I prefer to be on a double income and so does my partner. Each to their own I guess.


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28 Dec 2019, 5:33 am

So who looks after the kids?



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28 Dec 2019, 4:05 pm

MrsPeel wrote:
So who looks after the kids?
The State, of course -- teachers, police, lawyers, judges, juvenile hall guards and wardens, et cetera ...



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28 Dec 2019, 10:08 pm

magz wrote:
From the other thread:
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Radical feminism isn’t “feminism but more extreme”. At least in this context, it is a specific ideology which denies the biological reality of gender. That is to say, it believes gender is entirely socially constructed, and people are properly categorised by their sex. They would like to entirely abolish the concept of gender as they feel it is the root of women’s oppression. If someone who identifies as a feminist thinks that trans women aren’t women then they’re a TERF.

The opposite to radical feminism is usually said to be liberal feminism, which acknowledges that people have innate gender identity, but argues that the root of women’s oppression is actually the way women are treated by society and the denial of women’s rights.

Can someone translate it for me?
What is "biological reality of gender" but not sex?

Oddly interesting thread in reality , i have read gender reality is fluid upon natures whims.....various species will adapt as situations require .
This is a natural product of nature .
Personall opinion : if it walks like a duck ,quacks like a duck it must therefore be a ......... ? These seem to be the basis for society ? If a person in a police uniform is not a cop ? Then what , must admit about supposed authority figures getting carried away . And people walking into your house in a firemans costume, when you house is burning down .... may not be a fireman?
Then what ......at what point do we act in other than a civilized manner to persons in most all situations. And personally , have the opinion due to much gaslighting costing me desperately and seeing others lose their lives to it .
Am seriously not prone to trust these days. :cry:


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28 Dec 2019, 11:13 pm

This remains a fascinating subject to me. Initially, I would describe myself as non-binary. But, it's more than that. I would say that I am more gender apathy. I have really no interest. And because I have no interest it's very difficult for me to take an interest in gender, in general. I would struggle with pronouns, because I have no interest in gender.

I can look in a book, compare myself to that of an anatomical female and accept that I am one. It would not occur to me to take issue with it, because it doesn't resonate anywhere inside of me. It's simply a visible fact. I am an engine, I am housed in a make and model. As long as it gets me where I want to go, I don't care what it looks like.

I do typically wear female attire because it fits my shape. But, will buy anything that fits. Like a cat with a box: if it fits, I sits. I buy colors I like, no preference as to what gender it might appeal to. I will wear a flannel shirt, or a flower shirt if I like the color. I will get lost in lawn equipment. I love babies. I hate dresses.

I'm still figuring this out as I go.


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28 Dec 2019, 11:17 pm

MrsPeel wrote:
So who looks after the kids?


Daycare workers.



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29 Dec 2019, 7:54 am

Fireblossom wrote:
MrsPeel wrote:
So who looks after the kids?
Daycare workers.

My experience: it's good as long as there are no problems, the kid is healthy, without any special needs.
Early preschoolers notoriously fall sick and someone needs to babysit them individually.
Special need kids require individual care not only because of their actual needs but also to figure out their real needs and to organize support.
You can't provide the above in collective care.
Affordable nannies require unequal society because of the very economy of it - to buy a lot of time of some person, you need to earn more in that time + commuting to afford it. So, by the nature of it, it will never be for everyone.


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29 Dec 2019, 8:34 am

I couldn’t put my kid in daycare because I couldn’t bear the idea of being away from him when he was young. I don’t know how people manage to return to work after a brief maternity leave because I couldn’t do it even though that meant basically living on welfare and dealing with extreme poverty.

That desire felt like a biological/hormonal drive. People seem to experience it to varying degrees.

I certainly would endorse a much longer maternity leave in the US (a year) as well as paternity leave although I still couldn’t have been apart from him when he was a toddler. The drive began to dissipate some when he was a preschooler although it was still there.

I suppose this makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint.

I don’t like to think of people going to work because they have to when they really want to be home with the kids.



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29 Dec 2019, 6:57 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
magz wrote:
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She's not less of a human just because she wants to be a housewife.

Definitely.

On the other hand, it's rational not to invest time and effort in development of a worker who intends to leave.



Why did she waste so much time to study and become a Software engineer? Just to become a housewife?

I disagree with all of you, the "housewife aspiration" is what keeping women behind in many places.



I think it's good to study and get some sort of training and degree. Never rely on a guy ever for life for an income. What if he dies, what if you both get a divorce? What if he gets disabled and can no longer work? Also learning this stuff, maybe she can use it to run a personal website if she chooses to open her own business of making and selling things as extra income.


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29 Dec 2019, 7:03 pm

MrsPeel wrote:
So who looks after the kids?



Daycare, schools lol. Some parents put their kids in full time preschool so they are basically looking after your kids.

I hear parents use schools as a baby sitter but I kind of disagree because kids have to go to school and they need an education. But I understand what people mean by using the school as a baby sitter. They are referring to parents who expect the teachers to teach their kids manners and everything else parents should be teaching their kids and disciplining their kids for them. The kids are just there and the parents don't enforce anything at home so the rules are inconsistent for the child.


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