The appeal of online Incel communities to autistic men

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Regardless of gender, it's healthy to avoid toxic echo chambers.

How does "Usually" qualify as "Whenever" and "always"?

^ This.

That's true, you're right. I should have said usually.

Two wrongs don't make a right.....

Just because you might have some women who say "you go girl," doesn't mean you have to go down to that level.

And what would we wear instead? Briefs? Hell no! Not only do they feel like they're choking your testicles if worn throughout the day, they look embarrassing when your pants come down, whether voluntarily, like in an escort's hotel room, or involuntarily, like if an NT moron pulls them down. (I'm using US English here, where "pants" means trousers, not underwear.)

Well, there are boxer briefs, which are a perfect hybrid: a tight-fitting comfort of briefs and a presentable cover-up of boxers. Many men walk around in them comfortably in a close all-male company, like when sharing a hotel room with friends. In fact, they're non-sexual enough to wear around female friends, which I've done in the past, with no social consequences for it.

Oh yes I am not saying go down to that level, I am just saying I don't like how people do not acknowledge the double standard in the debate.

TL;DR version: the appeal is in the explanation Incel communities provide for things incel men don't understand.

I think the appeal of online Incel (uppercase, see below) communities to incels (lowercase, see below) is the camaraderie of the disenfranchised Rebel Alliance fighting the evil Galactic Empire, both proverbial. That, and they provide an EXPLANATION for things undesirable men otherwise don't understand. That is, the reason why perfectly nice men get rejected in their young years, only to be sought after as husbands later, is women's evolutionary wiring and instincts. And the explanation makes perfect sense.

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* Incel (uppercase): a community that gives incel men a voice, but comes off as misogynistic.
* incel (lowercase): an involuntarily celibate man who women don't like.

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Why is the red pill philosophy looked down upon by many?

Because it dehumanizes people.
Treats them like meat on a market.

Nature doesn't care how "good" or how "human" a person is. In nature's eyes, they're just a skin bag of meat and bones. Anyone who isn't attractive enough to find a mate is unworthy of reproduction, and by extension, the joy of sex. It's been that way ever since sexual reproduction began hundreds of millions of years ago. (Before that, there was asexual reproduction, where a "baby" simply spawns off of one parent.)

Society is a part of nature and your close social environment does care for how you behave.
Good luck forming a lasting relationship or even friendship based on hardcore social darvinism.

Also because it is just an excuse used by boys/men who do nothing to make themselves more lovable, and thereby make themselves more attractive to women.

Or... if you have looks but no status things are nearly as bad.

For the bit about the world not caring about how 'good' or 'human' a person is, I learned that the hard way as well. The only thing that comes of it is preventing a negative. Even throwing 'box' out of the window - just the desire to enjoy other people's company socially and not having it be a social-climbing and backstabbing competition is really rare, much more rare than it should be.

I find that's roughly how life treats people. It's hard to tell which is worse - the dating market or the labor market (clearly the later is non-optional if you want any freedom not to be under someone else's thumb, which then means you do your best to 'choose' whose thumb you're under).

On one level - we really need to know, and see clearly, that the world is doing that. The whole idea that people who say that sort of thing are talking crazy in many cases is coming from those living in privilege bubbles of the sort that my parents and family were trying to raise me into, ie. that magical place where you yourself are gleaming perfection and the world is full of screw ups, grunts, and others of lower class where.... you know... if the just got their act together they'd be living better lives.

The worst parts of our economies rely on profound unreality, it kind of seems obvious that the degree to which unreality gets hammered down on people - it's power dominating the social sphere and demonstrating it's submission. Unfortunately I don't have a lot of contact with younger people these days so I don't know how teens and young adults are on this topic but I almost get the impression (I'm hope this is right but it could be incorrect) that the word 'red pill' mostly applies to people over 30, and that for almost any zoomer (post-millenial) there's no such term because they were raised in an environment were it was too obvious to be missed and the protective lies on this issue, particularly the rather bizarre fusion of secular humanism and Scientology-like desperation and decadence around beating truth back with militant wishful thinking, had mostly broken down by the time they were coming of age.


I've found out the hard way that I won't be treated like a human being in most places for the rest of my life and the only way to even partially fix that is make a ton of money, fixing it further would be flaunting that money but I don't want to because I really prefer algorithmic social climbers to be as far from my life as possible. I have a few cousins who love hearing what I have to say, I can go to an esoteric or paramasonic group and they'd love to hear what I have to say, same for an IDW or GameB group, anywhere else its "Wait... are you married? How many kids do you have? What do you do for a living? How many houses do you own? Ok.... that's all I need to know". I don't even care to talk people's ears off about any of my interests but I'm disgusted when to even be human in that room there's no separation between your value and social/economic attainment. In a lot of places that kind of snobbery is something like the unofficial universal religion.

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Ok, I'm living in a privilege bubble of a society not damaged by capitalism to the point you describe.
Been poor, been wealthy, my self-worth and social position stay the same, completely different things define me.
I find it sick and crazy that elsewhere it's not like that.

But it's healthy to seek friends and relationships in these small circles where we can be ourselves.