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20 Aug 2020, 12:02 pm

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20 Aug 2020, 12:04 pm

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"Chick flick" often implies a specific type of movie lacking substance. I do know so much about today's usage but calling a female "chick" was often used in lieu of the person's name. Offensive in a microaggression type of way. :)


A chick flick has no less implied substance than an action movie. For one to then see a chick flick as being inherently lesser to an action movie would be to see femininity as being lesser than masculinity.

I am not going to just call some woman a chick, but neither am I going to see a woman as being self depreciating to refer to herself one, or derogatory to other women to calling them such.


"Chick" is sometimes used in a nonoffensive purely descriptive way. So is "Dixie".

You are a millennial, I am an Ok Boomer, like I said maybe the use of the term "Chick" is different these days but for my generation, where I grew up the term was most often used by guys in a dismissive or objectifying way.

I agree 'The Chicks' probably do no consider the term objectifying, it might location or generational, they are Gen-X, not boomer but I do find the changed name ironic. An important part of the "cancel culture" mentality is screw nuance if at any time a term was or is used in an offensive way, get rid of it.

Maybe that "Dixie" is considered objectionable and "chick" less so or not at all is an indication that racism is considered worse than sexism?


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20 Aug 2020, 12:20 pm

Brictoria wrote:
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What part of
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In order to avoid further potential misunderstandings of what I type on the site, it's probably safest if you don't bother replying to me in future.

did you have difficulty in understanding?

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20 Aug 2020, 12:43 pm

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Even if the name is still problematic, it's improved. It was either that or make a reference to their friend Richard Crompton and rename the band The Dick C. Chicks.


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Reminds me of The Dixie Chicks changing their name to 'The Chicks', because clearly it's better to have a girl band named after a derogatory term for women as long as it does not contain a reference to the racist South. (because being proud of anything having to do with the South makes you racist now apparently :mrgreen: )


Was it better when it still had Chicks but also referenced something they're no longer proud of?


Wait, is "chick" derogatory? My assumption is that could be seen as a bit flippant if used towards someone you don't know, but can be fine with an expressed intention of not being objectifying. Kind of like the feminine version of "dude".

Like people use the term "chick flick" to refer to the type of movies that women like, and it doesn't mean you are using it negatively unless you look down on movies made for women, which I guess a good amount of people do. I would have thought the word entered the lexicon beyond how it used to be seen, with the proviso that a woman has the right to not be referred to as such, that it had been partially reclaimed. Just like "dude", where a man could be asked not to be called one.


There's folks who deem it derogatory, I'm not really one of them but that wasn't the element I was prioritizing. Even if the name is still problematic, it's improved. It was either that or make a reference to their friend Richard Crompton and rename the band The Dick C. Chicks.



I wouldn't say it 'improved', if anything it just proves that our society tolerates sexism more than it does racism. I've seen this sort of thing happen all the time like it did with the video game Resident Evil 5. When people found that the game was set in Africa and showed a white male character shooting African zombies people on the internet lost their sh*t accusing the game of being racist and threatening to boycott it unless Capcom made changes (which they did). But nobody was bothered by the blatant sexism in this game excet for a few girl gamers who were ignored.


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20 Aug 2020, 9:33 pm

Bradleigh wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Bradleigh wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
What part of
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In order to avoid further potential misunderstandings of what I type on the site, it's probably safest if you don't bother replying to me in future.

did you have difficulty in understanding?

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20 Aug 2020, 10:23 pm

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But nobody was bothered by the blatant sexism in this game excet for a few girl gamers who were ignored.


I notice a lot of role player games allow players to rape, murder and injure female avatars. I assume there's a market for this type of player option among the incel demographic?



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20 Aug 2020, 10:39 pm

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But nobody was bothered by the blatant sexism in this game excet for a few girl gamers who were ignored.


I notice a lot of role player games allow players to rape, murder and injure female avatars. I assume there's a market for this type of player option among the incel demographic?


I haven't come across any allowing players to rape female avatars...Almost every RPG allows for the injury or murder of female ones, though...And strangely enough, the same can be done to male avatars in them as well.

The closest I've seen an RPG denoting rape occurring is "Kingdome come: deliverence", where one of the first things you can do on "leaving" your starting town is prevent a rape from occurring, and you earn an achievement for doing so - "Cavalier", I believe

Maybe I've just been fortunate in the games I have seen and played?



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20 Aug 2020, 11:16 pm

I don't know too many games either that allow such open sexuality. Maybe the fact that you can hire NPC prostitutes in GTA, and you could murder them, which would give your money.

I am open to discussions of figurative ideas of of female disempowerment along the lines. Arguments about things like the damsel in distress trope, which has symbolic representation in history of women having their agency taken from them.

I am not even quite sure the accused sexism in Resident Evil 5 is. Is it that you can put Sheva in sexy outfits? I personally like Sheva's character, I am not aware of anything inherently problematic, either racial or sexual.

I think that a lot of games, really media in general, have been afraid to have female characters treated the same, but I personally really like recent trends that have seen a more equal balance of female enemies as male enemies, as much as that might mean that incels with a hard on to abuse women could find an outlet, as long as it is not something singled out.


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20 Aug 2020, 11:38 pm

Brictoria wrote:
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But nobody was bothered by the blatant sexism in this game excet for a few girl gamers who were ignored.


I notice a lot of role player games allow players to rape, murder and injure female avatars. I assume there's a market for this type of player option among the incel demographic?


I haven't come across any allowing players to rape female avatars...Almost every RPG allows for the injury or murder of female ones, though...And strangely enough, the same can be done to male avatars in them as well.

The closest I've seen an RPG denoting rape occurring is "Kingdome come: deliverence", where one of the first things you can do on "leaving" your starting town is prevent a rape from occurring, and you earn an achievement for doing so - "Cavalier", I believe

Maybe I've just been fortunate in the games I have seen and played?


The games I am thinking of are circa-2009 which was the last time I got into online games. Actually the ones I was thinking of were console games such as redneck rampage where you could basically murder prostitutes. But yes your point is correct, whatever you can do to female avatars can be done to male as well.



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20 Aug 2020, 11:40 pm

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I don't know too many games either that allow such open sexuality. Maybe the fact that you can hire NPC prostitutes in GTA, and you could murder them, which would give your money.

I am open to discussions of figurative ideas of of female disempowerment along the lines. Arguments about things like the damsel in distress trope, which has symbolic representation in history of women having their agency taken from them.

I am not even quite sure the accused sexism in Resident Evil 5 is. Is it that you can put Sheva in sexy outfits? I personally like Sheva's character, I am not aware of anything inherently problematic, either racial or sexual.

I think that a lot of games, really media in general, have been afraid to have female characters treated the same, but I personally really like recent trends that have seen a more equal balance of female enemies as male enemies, as much as that might mean that incels with a hard on to abuse women could find an outlet, as long as it is not something singled out.


There is emerging research suggesting the link between violent video games and violent porn and externalising behaviour. For the incels who have attacked females in the past there's a connection to violent video games.



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20 Aug 2020, 11:58 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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But nobody was bothered by the blatant sexism in this game excet for a few girl gamers who were ignored.


I notice a lot of role player games allow players to rape, murder and injure female avatars. I assume there's a market for this type of player option among the incel demographic?


I haven't come across any allowing players to rape female avatars...Almost every RPG allows for the injury or murder of female ones, though...And strangely enough, the same can be done to male avatars in them as well.

The closest I've seen an RPG denoting rape occurring is "Kingdome come: deliverence", where one of the first things you can do on "leaving" your starting town is prevent a rape from occurring, and you earn an achievement for doing so - "Cavalier", I believe

Maybe I've just been fortunate in the games I have seen and played?


The games I am thinking of are circa-2009 which was the last time I got into online games. Actually the ones I was thinking of were console games such as redneck rampage where you could basically murder prostitutes. But yes your point is correct, whatever you can do to female avatars can be done to male as well.


That game title takes me back...Never played it, but remember seeing the game in a shop (Target, from memory, as well as a few PC game shops of the time) and thinking it looked a lot like doom from the pictures on the box, only with different weapons available.

Also, according to GOG, it was released in 1997 on the PC.
https://www.gog.com/game/redneck_rampage_collection



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21 Aug 2020, 12:31 am

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There is emerging research suggesting the link between violent video games and violent porn and externalising behaviour. For the incels who have attacked females in the past there's a connection to violent video games.


But there is little evidence that violent games make people more violent in life, in fact games can act as outlets to things they cannot do in real life.

I won't say that there is no impact from a game on behaviour, in fact I would say that incels are often impacted by game tropes where female characters are treated as prizes. Where the default type of character is male, and female characters are to be rescued, protected or some other commodity. If male characters are the ones with the agency, being the player and the enemies, while female characters are treated like a belonging to the player or general annoyances, that could have impacts with how one sees women in real life.

It is actually a part where a lot of people get angry when told that things like needing to save Princess Peach might have influenced how they see women. Rather than the violence itself, I think that it is the objectification. It has been a part where I have liked some reclamation of female characters that once lacked some agency, like Pauline, the female character saved in the Original Donkey Kong, who had the position of mayor in Super Mario Odyssey, said game also had Peach at the end not liking that she was being fought over like an object.

The Crash Bandicoot remasters even managed to have Tawna, a historically more problematic character that she pretty much disappeared after the first game, and have her feel like more of her own character, also letting the female character that replaced her, Coco, be very playable. And the racing game made the problematic trophy girls into also their own characters. Games are becoming better, what one might call more woke.


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21 Aug 2020, 1:51 am

Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
DeathEmperor413 wrote:
But nobody was bothered by the blatant sexism in this game excet for a few girl gamers who were ignored.


I notice a lot of role player games allow players to rape, murder and injure female avatars. I assume there's a market for this type of player option among the incel demographic?


I haven't come across any allowing players to rape female avatars...Almost every RPG allows for the injury or murder of female ones, though...And strangely enough, the same can be done to male avatars in them as well.

The closest I've seen an RPG denoting rape occurring is "Kingdome come: deliverence", where one of the first things you can do on "leaving" your starting town is prevent a rape from occurring, and you earn an achievement for doing so - "Cavalier", I believe

Maybe I've just been fortunate in the games I have seen and played?


The games I am thinking of are circa-2009 which was the last time I got into online games. Actually the ones I was thinking of were console games such as redneck rampage where you could basically murder prostitutes. But yes your point is correct, whatever you can do to female avatars can be done to male as well.


That game title takes me back...Never played it, but remember seeing the game in a shop (Target, from memory, as well as a few PC game shops of the time) and thinking it looked a lot like doom from the pictures on the box, only with different weapons available.

Also, according to GOG, it was released in 1997 on the PC.
https://www.gog.com/game/redneck_rampage_collection


Redneck rampage and Castle Wolfenstein were very addictive. Another hilarious target for the shooter in RR were aliens whom of course we know loved visiting the backwoods of Tennessee :lol: