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Socialism is a transitory phase on the way to communism. Communism is slavery to the government and antithetical to a democratic society.

The fact that some people are so willing to defend McCarthy scares the hell out of me.

There was more truth in McCarthy's claims than there was with the more recent nonsense about Trump "colluding" with the Russians.

Let me see if I have this corectly.

McCarthy was right, in that russia has americans acting as agents within the american government.

But yet the idea that Trump is acting as a russian agent while a member of the american government, is absurd?

It seems like the idea of russia using agents to infiltrate amercan government isn't disputed, it's mere WHO the agent is.

Somehow, magically, bernie sanders being a russian agent, TOTALLY PLAUSIBLE! - yet dontald trump being a russian agent, ABSOLUTELY ABSURD! Like many arguments of this nature, seems like you can't pick which leg to stand on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War_espionage

Ware Group: Sleeper spy ring in US headed by J. Peters, first organized under Harold Ware, inherited by Whittaker Chambers (under orders from Peters), and also included: John Abt, Marion Bachrach (Abt's sister), Lee Pressman, Alger Hiss, Donald Hiss, Charles Kramer, Nathan Witt, Henry Collins, George Silverman, John Herrmann, Nathaniel Weyl, and Victor Perlo. When Chambers defected in 1938, the Ware Group went dormant and then broke up. Harry Dexter White (below) contributed materials to Chambers but not as part of the Ware Group.

Silvermaster spy ring: The Silvermaster Spy Ring was led by Harry Dexter White, assistant secretary of the Treasury and the second most influential member of the Treasury department. His job was to aid placement of Soviet spies within the United States Government. The United States Treasury Department was successfully infiltrated by many Soviet spies, the most successful of which belonged to the Silvermaster Spy Ring. Harold Glasser, Elizabeth Bentley, and Nathan Silvermaster were other major members of the Silvermaster Spy Ring.[3]

Atomic spies: While the Atomic Spies were not exactly a network of spies, the collective information that was obtained by this group of Soviet spies was critical to the Soviet Union's ability to build an atomic bomb. Many of the members of the Atomic spies group worked for, or around, the Manhattan Project, or the United States building of the atomic bomb.[3] This group included:

Klaus Fuchs: a German-born British theoretical physicist. He worked with the British delegation on the Manhattan Project.
Morris Cohen: an American who gained insight to the plans from the secret laboratory at Los Alamos and delivered it to the designers of the Soviet atomic bomb.
Harry Gold: an American who was a courier for Klaus Fuchs and David Greenglass.
David Greenglass: an American machinist at Los Alamos during the Manhattan Project. He gave crude schematics of lab experiments to the Russians.
Theodore Hall: an American, and the youngest physicist at Los Alamos, gave a detailed description of the Fat Man plutonium bomb and several processes for purifying plutonium to the Soviets.
George Koval: an American-born son of a Russian family. He obtained information from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory and the Dayton Project about the Urchin (detonator) used for the Fat Man plutonium bomb.
Irving Lerner: an American film director who was caught photographing the cyclotron at the University of California in 1944.
Alan Nunn May: a British physicist who worked for the British nuclear research and then in Canada on the Manhattan Project. His uncovering in 1946 was responsible for the United States restricting sharing atomic secrets with the British.
Julius and Ethel Rosenberg: Americans who were involved in the coordinating and recruiting of an espionage network. Ethel's brother was David Greenglass.
Saville Sax: an American who acted as a courier for Klaus Fuchs and Theodore Hall.
Morton Sobell: an American engineer who admitted to spying for the Soviets and uncovered how extensive the Rosenberg's recruiting network was.[3]

The fact that some people are so willing to defend McCarthy scares the hell out of me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... 0socialist.
According to Wikipedia Bernie is a Democratic Socialist.
The fact that our government is crawling with socialists proves McCarthy Correct.
No matter what modifier you give it or how you pretty it up, socialism is a dangerous and evil system.

Ok then. Explain to me how those individuals are akin to soviet communists. Preferably something more meaningful than "they're socialists, duh!". That's just regurgitating a label.

You do know that just cos someone slaps a label on it, that doesn't magically make it that thing, right? Just cos I write "diamonds" on the side of a cardboard box full of broken glass doesn't mean I suddenly have a box of diamonds. Just cos the USSR CALLED themselves "socialist" doesn't mean they actually OPERATED that way. It's called a "scam".

Equally so, calling those individuals "socialists / communists" simply to equate them with the failed soviet state is a strawman at best. If anything, they would call themselves "democratic socialists", and if you're already jumping up and down ready to point out "SEE?! SOCIALIST!!", you can kindly calm down and sit down. "Socialism" and "communism" both come in many flavors, and are both different from each other in important ways.

While you're at it, why not argue that socialism has already been a keystone of american culture and politics for ages. After all, I bet you, and most americans, have a SOCIAL security card, issued by the Department of SOCIAL Security. Many people call SOCIAL services when they have problems. Most americans LOVE government instituted SOCIAL programs, like SOCIAL security, or SOCIAL safety nets like unemployment and disability benefits. Not to mention the fact that we fund SOCIAL infrastructure like roads and parks, that COMMUNALLY benefit everyone, by COLLECTIVELY paying taxes into SOCIAL programs.

Hilariously, the closest american parallel to the soviet lie that was masquerading as "socialism" is "trickle-down-economics". Both worked the same way, contrary to the claims. "Give everything to the top, and it totally trickles down and disperses evenly" was the claim. In reality, they gave everything to the top, and the top just kept it, passed it around to others at the top. Soviet russia: "that's all there is, we swear, nothing left". Capitalist America: "we can't pay you any more, that's all there is". In both cases, there WAS more, it was merely hoarded.

The real hilarious part is when people try to make people like Bernie look like the "wealthy elite". Bernie is worth around two million dollars. That might sound like a lot if you're not used to dealing with big numbers. But a billionaire (just ONE billion) is worth 500 times that. Mark Zuckerberg at 66 Billion is worth 33,000 times what Bernie is. Politics is a pay to play game, money is necessary to be a part of it in a meaningful way. Bernie himself usually looks like he's from the macklemore thrift shop video.

It's like people use words they don't understand...

Suggesting that McCarthy was 'right' is absurd. People are going into a panic because, what, 5 self-identified democratic socialists have seats in congress? Less than 1% of the 535 members of congress are self described socialists/social democrats and it's treated like the end of days. It's more of them same ludicrous capitalist panic.


Socialists are not all just being socialists until they can be communists. If they were, they would just call themselves communists. Socialists have participated in democratic government in Europe for over a century, and their countries are nowhere near communist.

McCarthy was right. Some people seem to have this idea he just picked on people for the ideas in their heads, or what he imagined were the ideas in their heads. No, he was trying to clamp down on actual Soviet agents in the State Department, of which there were large numbers. Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs were just the tip of the iceberg. Whitaker Chambers, who was a former Communist Party member, wrote about this in his autobiography.

There was more truth in McCarthy's claims than there was with the more recent nonsense about Trump "colluding" with the Russians.

Trying to draw a parallel between the actions of a patriot like McCarthy and the destructive, vindictive "cancel culture" of the modern left is just more evidence of the uselessness of centrism as far as I'm concerned.