General Strike on October 15th
Perhaps if everything in the wildest imaginations of a small number of people who might participate (as though those people represent the majority of participants), but I still don't see where their goals amount to the Soviets winning.
It sounds like baseless hysteria.
The same could have been said about a certain presidential campaign that almost no one gave a chance to back in 2016. That did not end so well for our country on 01/06/2021. We almost ended up with a dictator and we are still a house divided. History has a tendency to repeat itself to those who do not pay close attention to it.
Be careful what you want now, as it may come back to haunt you later on.
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Perhaps if everything in the wildest imaginations of a small number of people who might participate (as though those people represent the majority of participants), but I still don't see where their goals amount to the Soviets winning.
It sounds like baseless hysteria.
The same could have been said about a certain presidential campaign that almost no one gave a chance to back in 2016. That did not end so well for our country on 01/06/2021. We almost ended up with a dictator and we are still a house divided. History has a tendency to repeat itself to those who do not pay close attention to it.
Be careful what you want now, as it may come back to haunt you later on.
You're still not actually substantiating the fears you're trying to monger.
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Perhaps if everything in the wildest imaginations of a small number of people who might participate (as though those people represent the majority of participants), but I still don't see where their goals amount to the Soviets winning.
It sounds like baseless hysteria.
These ideas are a great hope.. preferably without bad dictators . But this event needs to be
advertised much much better . and major notifications , with some major workers unions involved,
to get behind this .....seems people know what is right , but noone seems to want toj act on these things or are afraid.
All one can do is try to promote the event and get more people to consider participation, just like anything that goes viral. I'm curious to see if they get support from any major unions but even if not, the people who make up the union can drag their leadership towards support from the bottom up, it doesn't always need to come from the top down.
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I haven’t heard talk about a general strike in the place where I work.
There is the tendency for folks on both sides of an issue to make exaggerated demands. Then they sit down, and hash it out, leading to a compromise.
It did take lots of fight for the 8 hours a day, 5 days a week workweek to take hold.
No. I don’t believe we should be scared of a “commie takeover.” But many organizations which speak of general strikes and other sorts of protests which involve blocking streets and such happen to be of at least a vaguely Marxist orientation.
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Yeah...back when I was in highschool in the early Seventies- that was the popular wisdom about the future. That the work week would get shorter. like those essays about "the workplace" we copied in typing class- all predicted that in the future we will have 28 hour work weeks, by the 2000, or even 1980.
Instead the work week stablized at 40 hours, and then gradually got longer by today.
It’s still 40 hours, five days a week for most “non-exempt” workers in the US. By law, in most states, they must get paid “time and a half” after working 40 hours in a week. I’m speaking mostly of hourly workers (and some on salary, too).
Many times, it’s the workers themselves who extend their hours…..seeking to buy a house, provide for their families, just make more money in general.
On a practical level, this is doomed to fail:
- There are too many demands, which are disconnected from anything that employers can actually deliver. Strikes are most useful for achieving concessions in negotiations, but in this situation, there is nothing employers could do to placate their striking workers.
- There is no strike fund. Successful strikes take a long time, which means a lot of lost income - this is even more important for a general strike where the costs are spread across multiple employers. As this strike is not being organised by a union with a large strike fund, people will quickly return to work.
- Internet leftists consistently overestimate their ability to mass strike. Remember the Women's Strike of 2nd October? No, because barely anyone participated. I remember an attempt to protest transphobic media articles by striking - again, almost nobody participated. Unless you're facing a personal situation which presents an immediate threat to yourself, it's hard to get motivated to strike - most people will not strike for principles.
I think it's silly to pretend that implementing these measures would turn the US into Airstrip 1. However, a lot of the ideas are bad:
- A $20 federal minimum wage would cause job losses, particularly in low-income areas. A $12 minimum wage seems more realistic and less likely to have harmful effects - and it would represent a significant wage increase.
- Working 4 days a week is already an option.
- 38 days a year would be right at the global high end, and combined with a 4 day week it would be far higher than any country in the world. However, it's pretty disgraceful that the US doesn't guarantee paid leave, making it the only advanced economy in the world to not do so.
- Comprehensive universal single pay healthcare would be extremely expensive, and again, isn't offered by a single country in the whole world. This system would probably lead to very long waiting lists for healthcare and effectively force a lot of people to go private and get into medical debt just as they currently would. Again, the current American situation is very bad, but the demand here is poorly thought-out.
- Doubling corporation tax is a bad idea. Most economists favour cutting corporation tax - particularly as the burden largely rests with workers and consumers. If you combined this with a $20 minimum wage, then it wouldn't be passed on to workers... but workers would quickly find themselves out of a job.
- A tax on revenue ("AMT") is plainly stupid. It would put low-margin businesses out of business.
- Most forms of "wealth tax" are difficult to raise, inefficient, and economically harmful. Most countries who have had general wealth taxes have abandoned them, and only one, Spain, still taxes at above 1%. Wealth taxes encourage capital flight and discourage investment. They also discourage public listings of companies, which makes inequality worse. It would be more sensible to propose a tax on specific forms of wealth that cannot be created, destroyed, or moved, such as land.
- Parental leave - support, although I would prefer shared leave to be LGBT+ inclusive and encourage men to do their share of childcare.
- Right-to-organise - depends upon exactly what is meant by this. In general, the right to organise has to be a fundamental right in any capitalist society. However, it is possible that specific forms of this "right" might actually involve taking away people's rights, such as the right to not join a union, or start a new union if you don't like the current one.
- End Citizen's United - support, but again I'd do things differently - focus on the politician rather than the donor. Limit campaign spending, and then it keeps money out of politics altogether.
- 100% carbon negative economy by 2030 - this is nonsense. You can't be 100% carbon negative - 100% of what? It's not realistic or desirable for the US to be carbon-negative by 2030 - you simply don't have, and can't get, the infrastructure. The only solution would be to deliberately cause the sort of recession which is unthinkable to modern Americans, the "no food on the shelves" type of recession. Carbon neutrality by 2050 is both ambitious and realistic, but net-negative technology will be necessary.
- A Green New Deal - not in the form that has been kicking around DC for the past few years, which discourages several important technologies and comes packaged with some outright bad ideas, like protectionism and a jobs guarantee.
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I don't believe that this is likely to achieve all of it's stated goals and that most likely nothing will be directly accomplished except possibly demonstrating how labour has the ability to exert more pressure than the people complaining about labour shortages realize.
As for the impacts of raising minimum wage? Tough s**t, if your business relies on paying less than a living wage it doesn't have a viable business model and shouldn't be subsidized by underpaying the people who keep it running.
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Which isn't a bad thing, even if the dishonest and sensationalist way mainstream media will report won't be directly beneficial to this cause it will contribute to more people seeing through their bias and abandoning or at least being more critical of their reporting. It isn't just conservatives who don't trust mainstream media.
Now Main Street's whitewashed windows and vacant stores
Seems like there ain't nobody wants to come down here no more
They're closing down the textile mill across the railroad tracks
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To your hometown."
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This is at the core of the overall issue. People aren't willing to do what's expected for the compensation offered because they understand it isn't a fair deal. No one wants to be a peasant and if that's all that will be offered why would someone waste their life earning money for someone else when they know they'll never get more than the crumbs that fall off the table?
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Lol, 'more than they're worth'. When did a living wage become more than someone is worth? If a business won't offer a living wage why would someone waste their time there?
It's a lot easier for businesses to collude to drive wages down than it is for the working class to collude to drive them up, that's why raising minimum wage is the appropriate strategy. If businesses won't do what right and the state refuses to intervene that leaves mass action as the only remaining option.
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If they don't need us they should stop complaining about labour shortages.
But, you mention jobs they don't have, how exactly do the people working those jobs not have those jobs?
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