The "Black Hole" of woke....

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If you ever have a child who is trans and they are suicidal in their teens I'm 100% sure you wouldn't expose your "old timey" outdated views with them.

Me too. I'm astonished at the amount of offense people take to being accidently called the wrong gender. It means nothing to me. People get really angry about it. I used to talk to a transwoman growing up who was my friend. It was a sensitive subject for her, but she didn't get angry or offended at me like people do these days if I accidently called her He. It's scary how angry people get now and I really can't understand it.

I remember suggesting to my old close friend who was a lesbian that she try dating a man I knew. She didn't get angry or outraged, she told me she wasn't interested. She wasn't offended at all.

It seems to be a culture now where people try to blame and shame others. I read text on a pizza box today that it was recyclable and that you had no excuses, so dispose of it properly. It was ordering me to do the right thing. It's stupid really. What happened to politeness and manners?

Definition of woke
chiefly US slang
: aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)

I'm not sure why that's a bad thing.

Hi everyone, I'm struggling with wokism at the moment. I'm not struggling to understand what it means to be woke but I'm struggling because I'm worried that the more woke society becomes then the more things it might find to be woke about and that in turn will mean that it will become a kind of "black hole" that will just suck the life and soul out of society.

For me personally woke is about as important as having a mutual respect for my friends, neighbours, acquaintances, associates and the general population etc.

I hate the thought that at some point in the future every P and Q that I dare to utter will be under some kind of big brother type scrutiny and it bothers me that cancelling out so much of history and culture due to wokism could also lead to people losing the very essence of who they actually are whether that be good bad or somewhere in the middle.

Anyway, just wondering what you guys think of this.

Do you think that too much woke could have a detrimental effect in the future?

Also I'm here to be educated and not to start a fight.

Thank you in advance for your input.

It worries me that at some point we will all be punished in a sense that we will all have to adhere to a particular way of thinking, speaking and feeling as a result of wokism. I'm not just talking about having to tone down your use of language in public. I'm talking about a restriction of language and a uniformity of thought. So I don't mean being punished as an individual. I'm talking about society as a whole.

Maybe my imagination is running away with itself but I can see its already happening. I believe its got worse over the last couple of years. Either that or I've just been in an unfortunate situation in my own personal life.

After everything that's discussed in the news about this subject, I was confused by what 'woke' actually means so I looked it up.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke

Definition of woke
chiefly US slang
: aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)

I'm not sure why that's a bad thing.

Please Just f*****g Tell Me What Term I Am Allowed to Use for the Sweeping Social and Political Changes You Demand
you don't get to insist that no one talks about your political project and it's weak and pathetic that you think you do

You know personally I’ve been achingly specific about my critiques of social justice politics, but fine - no woke, it’s a “dogwhistle” for racism. (The term “dogwhistle” is a way for people to simply impute attitudes you don’t hold onto you, to make it easier to dismiss criticism, for the record.) But the same people say there’s no such thing as political correctness, and they also say identity politics is a bigoted term. So I’m kind of at a loss. Also, they propose sweeping changes to K-12 curricula, but you can’t call it CRT, even though the curricular documents specifically reference CRT, and if you do you’re an idiot and also you’re a racist cryptofascist. Also nobody (nobody!) ever advocated for defunding the police, and if they did it didn’t actually mean defunding the police. Seems to be a real resistance to simple, comprehensible terms around here. Serwer is a guy who constantly demands that he and his allies be allowed to do politics on easy mode, but he’s just part of a broader communal rejection of basic self-definition and comprehensible terms for this political tendency. Also if you say things they don’t like they might try to beat you up. Emphasis on try.

If you ask these people, are you part of a social revolution?, they’ll loudly tell you yes! Yes they are! They’re going to shake society at its very foundations. Well, OK then -what do I call your movement? You reject every name that organically develops! I’ll use the name you pick, but you have to actually pick one. You can’t just b***h on Twitter every time someone tries to describe your political cohort, which again you yourself say intends to change the world. Name yourself or you will be named.

The basic stance of the social justice set, for a long time now, has been that they are 100% exempt from ordinary politics. BlackLivesMatter proponents have spent a year and a half acting as though their demand for justice is so transcendently, obviously correct that they don’t have to care about politics. When someone like David Shor gently says that they in fact do have to care about politics, and points out that they’ve accomplished nothing, they attack him rather than do the work of making their positions popular. Well, sooner or later, guys, you have to actually give a s**t about what people who aren’t a part of your movement think. Sorry. That’s life. The universe is indifferent to your demand for justice, and will remain so until you bother to try to change minds. Nobody gives you what you want. That’s not how it works. Do politics. Think and speak strategically. Be disciplined. Work harder. And for f**k’s sake, give me a simple term to use to address you. Please? Because right now it sure looks like you don’t want to be named because you don’t want to be criticized.

Edit: I might not have underlined this point enough - I sincerely am asking for a better term and would happily use one if offered. If woke, political correctness, identity politics, etc, are inflammatory terms, I'd be happy to substitute something that's not. But surely something is happening in our politics, and we have to be able to talk about it. So I'm asking for a name.

The problem with this claim is that those driving the anti-wokeness movement have a left wing agenda which is patently false since the corporate sector (e.g. Disney) are hardly left wing. Governments like the democrats are pro-capital and are hardly "left" other than providing support for social movements.