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12 Aug 2007, 7:47 pm

Sopho wrote:

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1. So why not post in the homosexuality thread

How would that be possible? I wanted to make a poll to see who thought what. Holy sh**, are you stupid or something? That's exactly what this thread was about. Ragtime didn't believe that most people would agree with me, I started this to see whether they would or not.
Do you need me to dumb that down a bit or do you now understand what it is I'm saying?

You could have done a straw poll on another website and linked to it from here. Playing other members off against each other like this though, is not the way to go about it.

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12 Aug 2007, 7:47 pm

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So if, when I was in denial about my sexuality, I had gone and had sex with a man to try and 'make myself straight' or prove to myself that I was straight, that in itself would have actually mean that I was straight?

If you wanted him sexually, it would at least make you bi. And there's no "denial" phase; I am what I want to be -- I don't live in a class system.

But that's just it - I wouldn't have wanted him sexually, I have never been sexually attracted to a man in my life.

You wouldn't voluntarily screw a man if you didn't want him sexually, at least enough to get wet and open. The fact you'd even be there to do him shows you have some actual interest in going through with the entire physical act, versus just thinking things over to yourself, or aloud to friends. Having sex isn't an "oh well" action for most women.

Logically, you're not going to be able to be in denial about a 100% repulsion / 0% attraction, unless you're insane.

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And there is a denial phase for a lot of people. Maybe you've never been in denial, but that's because you're straight.

That idea is a self-deception. You can't not know what you feel. You CAN however, not know what you're GOING TO FEEL. But in the moment, you're aware of present feelings. (Hint: That's why they're called "feelings", because you "feel" them.)

1. Denial can drive people to a lot of things. I very nearly had a boyfriend, I wasn't attracted to him at all in that way, but I didn't want to be gay or whatever.
2. There are ways of fooling yourself into thinking you're not actually gay ie. it's just a phase, I'll grow out of it, I'm not actually attracted to them - I'm just confused. I knew in my head that I only liked girls, but I wouldn't tell myself it was true. Maybe I am crazy after all then, but people can definately be in denial about their sexuality, same as I was with being transgendered, I tried to be girly or whatever, even though none of what I did felt natural to me.

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12 Aug 2007, 7:47 pm

greenblue wrote:

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For me, this was the crucial aspect of the sexuality question we were discussing:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=41090

You're making it look like I said you can be gay without wanting to have gay sex. Well, in a way you can. But that's not what I said.

This logical conclusion is quite interesting

That would mean that I'm not straight because I never had straight sex.

Or if you had some crazy phobia of contracting an STD and never wanted to have sex with someone because of that. There are alsorts of weird reasons people might not want sex, but still be sexually attracted to people.

Yeah, like catholic priests and nuns, they are not straight at all because they choose to have a lifestyle without sex?

Weeeell...

I saw a study that said that half the Catholic priesthood is gay, which would make things rather convenient... also heard some things about nunly luv.

So, which came first, the homo/asexuality or the priesthood :?:

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12 Aug 2007, 7:48 pm

Sopho wrote:

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This thread, i would say was one of those games. Among others she seems to play with her life.

Such as?

Transgenderism, attention seeking, and so on.

How is being transgendered a game?
I'm not attention-seeking. And I certainly don't do it in real life, I haven't left the house for weeks except to go to the doctor.

wow, it seems that Hadron and Ragtime think the same way, both of them come up with brilliant conclusions.

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12 Aug 2007, 7:48 pm

Hadron wrote:

Sopho wrote:

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1. So why not post in the homosexuality thread

You could have done a straw poll on another website and linked to it from here. Playing other members off against each other like this though, is not the way to go about it.

If I had done that, hardly anyone would have seen it or bothered to vote, just the people who are regularly posting in that thread, and I already knew their opinions on it. I'm not playing any games.

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12 Aug 2007, 7:49 pm

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

This thread, i would say was one of those games. Among others she seems to play with her life.

Such as?

Transgenderism, attention seeking, and so on.

How is being transgendered a game?
I'm not attention-seeking. And I certainly don't do it in real life, I haven't left the house for weeks except to go to the doctor.

You mean you are locked up like that all the time, out of choice? Do you actually not know anyone outside your house IRL?

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12 Aug 2007, 7:50 pm

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So, which came first, the homo/asexuality or the priesthood :?:

Pretty much a mix - though your assumptions are crap,
as usual.

The priesthood offered a safe haven for men who
didn't want women. AND, experiencing the beauty
of love probably converted some men to gay.

That, along with molestation - but we'll leave that
issue alone.

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12 Aug 2007, 7:53 pm

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

1. So why not post in the homosexuality thread

You could have done a straw poll on another website and linked to it from here. Playing other members off against each other like this though, is not the way to go about it.

If I had done that, hardly anyone would have seen it or bothered to vote, just the people who are regularly posting in that thread, and I already knew their opinions on it. I'm not playing any games.

You go on a bigger website and make a straw poll. Normally it works.

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12 Aug 2007, 7:53 pm

Hadron wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

This thread, i would say was one of those games. Among others she seems to play with her life.

Such as?

Transgenderism, attention seeking, and so on.

How is being transgendered a game?
I'm not attention-seeking. And I certainly don't do it in real life, I haven't left the house for weeks except to go to the doctor.

You mean you are locked up like that all the time, out of choice? Do you actually not know anyone outside your house IRL?

I have incapacitating social anxiety and topographical disorientation which makes it difficult to get public transport. I know no one outside of my family and won't do until I go back to uni in September.
And again, how it me being transgendered a game? Do you even know anything about it?

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12 Aug 2007, 7:55 pm

Hadron wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

1. So why not post in the homosexuality thread

You could have done a straw poll on another website and linked to it from here. Playing other members off against each other like this though, is not the way to go about it.

If I had done that, hardly anyone would have seen it or bothered to vote, just the people who are regularly posting in that thread, and I already knew their opinions on it. I'm not playing any games.

You go on a bigger website and make a straw poll. Normally it works.

I'm not THAT bothered about the results that I'd piss about finding another site, signing up and doing it elsewhere. :roll:

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12 Aug 2007, 7:57 pm

Ragtime wrote:

greenblue wrote:

Sopho wrote:

greenblue wrote:

Sopho wrote:

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For me, this was the crucial aspect of the sexuality question we were discussing:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=41090

You're making it look like I said you can be gay without wanting to have gay sex. Well, in a way you can. But that's not what I said.

This logical conclusion is quite interesting

That would mean that I'm not straight because I never had straight sex.

Yeah, like catholic priests and nuns, they are not straight at all because they choose to have a lifestyle without sex?

Which came first, Jesus?

It is believed by them that Jesus never married, therefore never had sex, and they follow that example based on that, I also think they may interpret Paul writings about never getting married, and they follow that life according to them.

This study indicates that all priests and all nuns are gay? Surely some of them might be, closet perhaps, others might not, but ALL OF THEM?

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12 Aug 2007, 7:59 pm

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

This thread, i would say was one of those games. Among others she seems to play with her life.

Such as?

Transgenderism, attention seeking, and so on.

How is being transgendered a game?
I'm not attention-seeking. And I certainly don't do it in real life, I haven't left the house for weeks except to go to the doctor.

You mean you are locked up like that all the time, out of choice? Do you actually not know anyone outside your house IRL?

I see, so you cant go out at all then? Surely you can take a GPS device out with you so you dont get lost. As for the anxiety, it cant be totally crippling otherwise you wouldnt be at a uni. Do you have actually no friends at all in your uni?
As for it being a game, it often is, most people with transgender issues have lots of other things as well on average. I do know what it is.

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12 Aug 2007, 8:01 pm

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It is believed by them that Jesus never married, therefore never had sex, and they follow that example based on that, I also think they may interpret Paul writings about never getting married, and they follow that life according to them.

Unfortunately there are damned good reasons that the early Church wanted to
indicate that Jesus wasn't married. Paul is actually a good indicator of these.
Likely that his marriage was suppressed. Later, there were historical reasons
to continue the policy of Priests not being so.

But, one either takes the redacted version of the Bible
or not. If not, just what value is the text anyhow?

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12 Aug 2007, 8:03 pm

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Well it was the psychologist that diagnosed me who said it was 'incapacitating' and it is possible to go to a university if you have anxiety, I took Prozac for a while for it and saw a counselor. My tutors are all aware of my AS and anxiety and I don't have to speak to anyone if I don't want to. I get dropped off at the building, go into my lectures/seminars, maybe go to the library after, and then get picked up and go home. I have no friends. I don't want any though really.
Being transgendered is not a game. I still don't understand exactly HOW you think it is.

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12 Aug 2007, 8:05 pm

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

1. So why not post in the homosexuality thread

And I already told you that of course the way you loaded the question, they'd vote agreeing with you, and that therefore I couldn't recognize the results as indicative.

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12 Aug 2007, 8:07 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

1. So why not post in the homosexuality thread

And I already told you that of course the way you loaded the question, they'd vote agreeing with you, and that therefore I couldn't recognize the results as indicative.

How else would I word it?
I wanted to know if people thought sexuality was about who you're attracted to o who you have sex with. And that's how I worded it. What would you have preferred?

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