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13 Aug 2007, 9:49 pm

Sedaka wrote:

i am not trying to speak for all people... and i think that bi people are prolly more flexible generally than straight or gay

Sometimes I wonder if the only
way to explain what I am is as bi.
But, I really don't think so. There is
NO attraction there.

But, I can get attracted to stuff that ain't
human. Now, I don't know what that's
about.

I guess I'm just crazy.

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13 Aug 2007, 9:57 pm

calandale wrote:

Sedaka wrote:

i am not trying to speak for all people... and i think that bi people are prolly more flexible generally than straight or gay

Crazy, probably

Not sure, paraphilia perhaps? fetishism to be exact, probably?

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13 Aug 2007, 10:02 pm

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Not sure, paraphilia perhaps? fetishism to be exact, probably?

I don't know, because aren't these usually
not by choice?

I'm just a damned loon, in the midst of a meltdown
though, so what do I know?

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13 Aug 2007, 10:02 pm

calandale wrote:

Sedaka wrote:

i am not trying to speak for all people... and i think that bi people are prolly more flexible generally than straight or gay

Sometimes I wonder if the only
way to explain what I am is as bi.
But, I really don't think so. There is
NO attraction there.

that's how i am about it.... no attraction... i can generate some interest but am i compelled by the power of homo ? no... would i even feign that my attraction to women is gay/bi? no

calandale wrote:

But, I can get attracted to stuff that ain't
human. Now, I don't know what that's
about.

I guess I'm just crazy.

it's ok... you're still cute

now congratulate me on my quoting!

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13 Aug 2007, 10:04 pm

[quote="Sedaka"]

now congratulate me on my quoting![/q

Well done.

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13 Aug 2007, 10:12 pm

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Ragtime wrote:

A belief in universal human traits is not intolerance.

When one starts using the word 'know'
and accusing the other beliefs with something
lesser, it is indeed intolerance.

You'd damned well better have some good
proof, to make such statements. Which neither
of you do.

Call it an opinion then. Does that make you feel better?

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13 Aug 2007, 10:15 pm

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Only a fool takes everyone at their word.

unless you base a religion off of it..........

Who's word am I taking without personally testing it for myself? I've personally tested and proven all of the parts of the Bible I believe. I have very high demands for what I accept.

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13 Aug 2007, 10:18 pm

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calandale wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

I was only when I tried really hard to imagine what it must be like for gay people, that I finally began to see it. But before that, I swore I could never understand their mentality. But now I do.

Now THIS strikes me as pure crap.
Given that many gay people claim to
have NO control over their sexuality,
and you seem to believe that you do,
right there, there is enough difference
to realize that your 'pretending to be
gay' is just not the same.

Moreover, you just 'tried really hard to imagine'.
I'm sorry, you didn't even manage to convince
yourself. I can try to imagine what being a rock
is like, but I really don't think that I have any
special insight from doing this.

I doubt that even you have the control over your
sexuality which I think I might. But then again, you
probably are a great deal further away from being
able to throw yourself into psychosis.

this is why i dont believe an ounce of what he says.

i am not trying to speak for all people... and i think that bi people are prolly more flexible generally than straight or gay

what strikes me above these claims is that he's now trying to add asexuality to his list of gay/straight/bi to his list of realities (not to mention others he claims for fact)...

however ambigous you are about your sexuality... you cant just shirk it off all together.

people become aware of their sexuality very young... heck, i started masterbating @ 6yrs old

that he just decided to ponder it one day.. really makes his stance seem flimsy with respect to him

It wasn't "one day". It was gradually, over the course of about two years. And my point of asexuality is that's how turned-off I can be. I said in another thread that my sexual interest goes from 10,000 to -10,000 and back again.

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13 Aug 2007, 10:19 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Call it an opinion then. Does that make you feel better?

Tremendously so.

You can believe that Rocks enjoy sex,
for all I care. Once you start claiming
to know it, I worry.

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13 Aug 2007, 10:20 pm

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and then god said, "don't be gay, ragtime"

and it was so

Naturally, He has the power.

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13 Aug 2007, 10:22 pm

calandale wrote:

Sedaka wrote:

i am not trying to speak for all people... and i think that bi people are prolly more flexible generally than straight or gay

No, I'm exactly the same way. You're describing what I've been talking about -- the ability to focus one's attraction on what one wishes. That's the salient point in this discussion.

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13 Aug 2007, 10:26 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sedaka wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Only a fool takes everyone at their word.

unless you base a religion off of it..........

Who's word am I taking without personally testing it for myself? I've personally tested and proven all of the parts of the Bible I believe. I have very high demands for what I accept.

without going into what i think about the contents of the bible specifically... to say the least... it's a watered-down bastardization of anything god might have said

you take it at great face value that it is the word of god

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13 Aug 2007, 10:26 pm

Sedaka wrote:

calandale wrote:

Sedaka wrote:

i am not trying to speak for all people... and i think that bi people are prolly more flexible generally than straight or gay

Sometimes I wonder if the only
way to explain what I am is as bi.
But, I really don't think so. There is
NO attraction there.

that's how i am about it.... no attraction... i can generate some interest but am i compelled by the power of homo ? no... would i even feign that my attraction to women is gay/bi? no

It could be empathy. With me, I'm imagining I'm the other guy. Easy to do, since we have the same parts. Then, the question is, can you get caught up in it emotionally?

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now congratulate me on my quoting!

Bravo!

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13 Aug 2007, 10:26 pm

Ragtime wrote:

No, I'm exactly the same way. You're describing what I've been talking about -- the ability to focus one's attraction on what one wishes. That's the salient point in this discussion.

I really don't think that it's normal though.

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13 Aug 2007, 10:31 pm

Sedaka wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sedaka wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Only a fool takes everyone at their word.

unless you base a religion off of it..........

Who's word am I taking without personally testing it for myself? I've personally tested and proven all of the parts of the Bible I believe. I have very high demands for what I accept.

Nope. I went to seminary, and studied where all the various texts came from. My best friend, who has a doctorate from Trinity, has taught me much more about the origins of the Bible than I learned in school, and he's available every time I have a question. Think about it: If God were real, He'd make sure His Scriptures survived.

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13 Aug 2007, 10:33 pm

calandale wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

No, I'm exactly the same way. You're describing what I've been talking about -- the ability to focus one's attraction on what one wishes. That's the salient point in this discussion.

I really don't think that it's normal though.

Perhaps it's present in everyone to varying degrees. That's feasible.

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