That slippery word "woke"

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Also, as it was originally self applied, woke can't be dismissed as a mere pejorative, a major advantage.

just so Dox47 doesn't complain about name-calling, here is the definition of Fascism per Wikipedia:

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

I'm not saying "you shouldn't say woke", I am saying that there is inevitably going to be conversational difficulty when people can't agree whether they're referring to a quality (which is how I usually see it used) or an ideology (which is how, if I'm understanding you correctly, you usually see it used), and if it is for talking about when there are black people on the TV, or about censoriousness, or about speed limits.

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It's impossible to get people to agree on definitions of words. Your understanding of wokeness (or mine, or anyone else's) will always be different to other people's because we have different experiences. Like, if you've never seen someone insist that Star Wars is "woke crap" without elaborating, then you're probably less sympathetic to the idea that the term is often used derogatorily to refer to things that don't fit your definition.

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I'd suggest that progressivism is less prone to misunderstanding, although not foolproof. Epithets get used too broadly. Fascist and communist at least have decades of history and scholarship that mean there's something to refer to when defining them, but "woke" doesn't have that. Everyone inclined to use "woke" derogatorily can agree that banning white people from historically-black colleges is an example of "wokeness" (derogatory), as is calling for the violent decolonisation of the New World, but probably not whether that should be lumped in with TV shows with black characters, or support for immigration, or speed limits, or same-sex marriage, or providing period products in the workplace.

There, I cleaned it for you.

My fourth post in the thread, it's in parentheses.

The word "identarian" is associated primarily with white nationalism, primarily a European variant thereof (see Wikipedia article on Identitarian movement).

The nearest Black analogue of that would be groups like Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam or the various "Black Israel" groups. These are very different, in many ways, from the Black Lives Matter crowd. As far as I can tell, most of the leading figures in Black Lives Matter are Marxists, not Black nationalists.

Associated with by who?

"Identitarian" simply means focused on identity, in the case of wokes that identity being that being based on immutable characteristics such as race or sex, hence the constant fixation on such things.

Did I call anyone black nationalists?

Now do the post I was responding to.

I'm not sure what you think you're proving, as I don't support any of those things, so it really is just name calling, particularly as "fascist" has long ceased to have any real meaning and is simply used as a snarl word by morons.

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