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26 Aug 2007, 3:38 pm

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i'm strongly against a ceasefire. if we give up now, it'll be like vietnam where the infrastructure will collapse upon itself.

we cannot give up now. we must stay the course and keep the fight going. if we don't, the christians win.

Nobody wins a war.

Not true. It's just a matter of the costs to win a war.
I'll support the Christians in their defence of religion, because I believe that some religions are beneficial to society, including Christianity. Along with alot of other reasons.

The religion is not.

The followers who are decent people are.

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26 Aug 2007, 3:47 pm

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Nobody wins a war.

The religion is not.

The followers who are decent people are.

Sorry, but you just can't spit on someone's religion and say "no offence, but your religion is stupid", and not expect to offend them. You attack a religion, you attack its followers.

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26 Aug 2007, 3:50 pm

Flagg wrote:

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Nobody wins a war.

The religion is not.

The followers who are decent people are.

Yeah, mostly the people

I suppose christianity has been beneficial in some way, but in other ways it has not, because they still need to change some stuff, which they had been doing progressively in history, but I guess it needs more time or so. Anyway, I wonder how much do society actually needs it today.

On this forum I am supporting people in which their sexuality is different, and that is why I'm here actually, otherwise I wouldn't care I suppose, and I say that this thing is actually controversial, in one hand, christians believe they are being flamed for their beliefs on the other hand these people believe they are being mistreateated and discriminated by christians. So the controversy on this forum.

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26 Aug 2007, 3:50 pm

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Flagg wrote:

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Nobody wins a war.

The religion is not.

The followers who are decent people are.

Sorry, but you just can't spit on someone's religion and say "no offence, but your religion is stupid", and not expect to offend them. You attack a religion, you attack its followers.

I'm saying a persons religion doesn't make them "decent".

They make themselves decent.

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26 Aug 2007, 3:52 pm

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I think number one is most reponsible.

Those two kept the place in balance by posting lots of politically smart threads and debating well.

Apparently I missed this.

Can you say what happened?

AwesomelyGlourious and JimServo were two of the smartest people we had. They were good level headed debators and made a lot of good topics. Set the example for the PPR.

Ooops. What I meant to communicate is: why are they gone? I, too, found them most engaging.

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26 Aug 2007, 3:53 pm

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Sorry, but you just can't spit on someone's religion and say "no offence, but your religion is stupid", and not expect to offend them. You attack a religion, you attack its followers.

And how about when someone is being said that they are sinful, inmoral and perverted, because their sexuality is different, and not expect to feel offended.

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26 Aug 2007, 4:05 pm

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Sorry, but you just can't spit on someone's religion and say "no offence, but your religion is stupid", and not expect to offend them. You attack a religion, you attack its followers.

And how about when someone it's being said that they are sinful, inmoral and perverts, because their sexuality is different, and not expect to feel offended.

Because the church views it as an abomination due to the nature of homosexuality. It serves no purpose in creating children, and is just lust and sodomy if you view sex as purely between a man and a woman, to create children and for other casual reasons. Times have changed.
That's the view of some churches. However, change is coming, and Christianity is gradually accepting such things. However, there will always remain the view that same-sex intercourse is always purely for the sake of pleasure in some religious groups, who don't look kindly upon such things. With IVF and such, the religious view will change.
I personally believe that homosexuality is natural, and a minority of people will be homo/bisexual in any population. It's their life, and they should have that freedom, as individuals.

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26 Aug 2007, 4:08 pm

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Nobody wins a war.

the only losers in wars are the ones who die and their families.

but the point of my post was more a cross-reference/parody. both making fun of the militant stance of many here (eradicate religion? wtf? a little aggressive, are we?) and making fun of bush's recent excuses for why we should be staying in iraq.

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26 Aug 2007, 6:48 pm

Thank the lucky stars AG has left. That dude is utterly insane.

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26 Aug 2007, 7:01 pm

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Thank the lucky stars AG has left. That dude is utterly insane.

That man was one of our best and brightest. Your only angry because every time you two engaged he came out the victor.

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26 Aug 2007, 7:34 pm

Flagg: I thought I saw AG around recently, but I'm not sure where. As for jimservo, don't know..

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26 Aug 2007, 7:39 pm

I really think we need to have a "no one liner" rule.

It really burns me when I give someone a really well thought out argument on something, and the response I get is "hur hur hur but religion is stupid hur hur hur." Where did you get your debating skills, Beavis and Butthead U.? Or when Ragtime and I would explain how we can love the sinner but hate the sin, and give reasoned arguments outside the Bible on why homosexuality might not be such a good thing for society, and the comeback is "ZOMG homophoeb!!11!one11!!" If you can't answer an argument with an argument, you don't belong in PPR.

This would include one-liner thread openers. Like "Christians are stupid, discuss" or "God is a Myth, discuss." If the OP has no point and no opening argument, the thread should immediately get locked.

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26 Aug 2007, 7:39 pm

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Flagg: I thought I saw AG around recently, but I'm not sure where. As for jimservo, don't know..

Oh well, I wouldn't pester them anyway. They have a right to avoid this forum and I would even advise them to right now.

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26 Aug 2007, 7:51 pm

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I really think we need to have a "no one liner" rule. It really burns me when I give someone a really well thought out argument on something, and the response I get is "hur hur hur but religion is stupid hur hur hur." Where did you get your debating skills, Beavis and Butthead U.? Or when Ragtime and I would explain how we can love the sinner but hate the sin, and give reasoned arguments outside the Bible on why homosexuality might not be such a good thing for society, and the comeback is "ZOMG homophoeb! !11!one11!!" If you can't answer an argument with an argument, you don't belong in PPR.

It has been answered his arguments with another good argument before, although I don't think Ragtime actually give a good valuable argument outside the Bible, and some things may sound ridiculous to them, if you talk about a few members who have responded, they have a good reason too.

What would be the reaction if you go saying that women are inferior than men, and etc, here on WP you would have a strong reaction from women calling you "mysogynist" just as well others might call you "homophobic", especially when you come up with arguments like no such good thing for society.

That is why I say these topics are controversial, because while you are defending your beliefs at the same time you are being unfair to others, I suppose not intentionally, but still it is damaging.

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26 Aug 2007, 7:52 pm

And I suppose the same goes for when I put up my analogies on say, Kennedy or the bible, and all I got was a mouthful of abuse. I expect the same courtesy from others that I would give them, but if I get insulted, I will give it back.

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26 Aug 2007, 9:33 pm

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What would be the reaction if you go saying that women are inferior than men, and etc, here on WP you would have a strong reaction from women calling you "mysogynist" just as well others might call you "homophobic", especially when you come up with arguments like no such good thing for society.

That's not a fair comparison, because conservative Christians (generally speaking) do not believe that homosexuals are inferior.

I think the word "homophobe" is improperly used 99% of the time. It should not be a tool for silencing others or for perpetuating logical fallacies, but all too often that is precisely what occurs. It is one of those one-liners that prevent further dialogue.

If anybody truly feels that it is damaging to listen to contrary opinions, it is probably best that such an individual avoid debate forums.

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