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ShwaggyD
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06 Dec 2024, 4:01 pm



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06 Dec 2024, 7:33 pm

Videos about conspiracy theories are not more persuasive than conspiracy theories presented in some other way.



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06 Dec 2024, 8:51 pm

Ursula wrote:
Does anyone feel there is truth to theory that vaccines cause autism?


No, I don't think they do; at least, not in my family's case.

We have a family history of adverse reactions (the kids' grandparents). I selectively vaccinated my first 3, mostly according to the official recommended schedule, minus a few less-important shots. After all 3 were speech delayed, I thought, "Maybe I should delay the next one, just to be sure...." So I delayed vaccines for Babies #4 & #5, and guess what? Severe speech delays. Well, there went *that* theory. :wink:

The rest of the kids (all ASD) are either barely-vaccinated or not vaccinated at all, but not due to fear. I hadn't found a primary care physician (required by my insurance) that I liked, for the longest time, and then when I finally *did* find one, she left the practice, and I have to find her again.

There are a few that I won't do, at all, because the kids have already had the disease, or the vaccine is less than 20-30 years old (personal preference), etc.

Ursula wrote:
I am now too scared to give my ADHD son his final vaccine.


Which one are you waiting for, if you don't mind me asking? :)



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06 Dec 2024, 11:06 pm

ShwaggyD wrote:
*** Another spurious Youtube video ***

Why should I let this video, Shawn Ryan, or Vigilance Elite do my thinking for me?

He seems like just another conspiracy theorist -- many claims unsupported by evidence.



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06 Dec 2024, 11:12 pm

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bee33 wrote:
There is absolutely no foundation for the fear of vaccines. Including the idea that it's not the vaccine itself but other ingredients that could cause harm. All of it is entirely untrue. Vaccines are perfectly safe.


bee33 wrote:
^I am. I am saying they are perfectly safe. To say anything else is vaccine scare mongering because it comes off as equivocating.


No offence, but that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen on this thread. Even the government-pharma complex (in the US and elsewhere) have shown by their own actions that they don’t believe in an assertion as extreme as the one you’ve made above.

Examples
The US ‘National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program’ has awarded $4.6 billion between 1986 and May 2023.
The AstraZeneca covid vaccine has been withdrawn worldwide in the last couple of years due to the risk of blood clots.
The Rotashield Rotavirus Vaccine was withdrawn in the US in 1999 due to being linked to an increased risk of intussusception.
The Lymerix Lyme Disease Vaccine was withdrawn in the US in 1998 due to side-effects such as arthritis-like symptoms
The 1975 Swine Flu vaccine was withdrawn in the US due to being linked to cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS).

And there are more. And these are just the cases that the government-pharma complex is willing to admit to.

It is amazing to me that you can come out with a statement as sweeping and as extreme as “vaccines are perfectly safe” when it’s something you cannot know for sure, and that you cannot prove, and that other people can so easily refute with a few counterexamples.

I don’t know why some people cannot understand that vaccines are merely another class of drugs, and saying they are all perfectly safe is just as ridiculous and extreme as saying all drugs are perfectly safe.

As far as I’m concerned, when I see statements as extreme as yours, it’s often because the person making them views questions about objective reality through the lens of partisan politics or in terms of what they think “good” people are supposed to believe.

Vaccines ARE perfectly safe. That there are extremely rare adverse reactions does not make them not perfectly safe.

They're safer than the diseases they prevent, by many orders of magnitude, and they are also safer than riding in a car or walking down a flight of stairs. More people are harmed by furniture falling on them. They are just safe.