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29 Aug 2007, 5:26 pm

I find your avatar offensive. Why is that bird having a fit? What did you do to it?



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29 Aug 2007, 5:31 pm

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Rejected the Messiah


Really? Well Jews are much better company and more intelligent than Christians anyway, so I don't mind going to Hell then.


Sorry, I'm quoting myself, but...

Jews believe in God. How do they fit into your threads? You think you are high and mighty because your religious beliefs have supplanted theirs, but are you aware that the Muslims believe Islam has supplanted Christianity? And their numbers are growing. Where will this leave you when your little Jesus fetish becomes outdated?


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29 Aug 2007, 5:52 pm

EatingPoetry wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Rejected the Messiah


Really? Well Jews are much better company and more intelligent than Christians anyway, so I don't mind going to Hell then.


Sorry, I'm quoting myself, but...

Jews believe in God. How do they fit into your threads? You think you are high and mighty because your religious beliefs have supplanted theirs, but are you aware that the Muslims believe Islam has supplanted Christianity? And their numbers are growing. Where will this leave you when your little Jesus fetish becomes outdated?


If pure Jews want to go back to the sacrifical system then fine. There are many Jewish friends of mine who are Christians. Islam may be the driving force of persecution soon, but they wont just kill Jews and Christians, but homosexuals and anyone else opposed to the Qu'ran. If you're not a Muslim, YOU WILL BECOME ONE. Christians desired freedom OF religion, Fundamental Islam gives you freedom to become a Muslim OR die.



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29 Aug 2007, 6:01 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Rejected the Messiah

Really? Well Jews are much better company and more intelligent than Christians anyway, so I don't mind going to Hell then.

Sorry, I'm quoting myself, but...
Jews believe in God. How do they fit into your threads? You think you are high and mighty because your religious beliefs have supplanted theirs, but are you aware that the Muslims believe Islam has supplanted Christianity? And their numbers are growing. Where will this leave you when your little Jesus fetish becomes outdated?

If pure Jews want to go back to the sacrifical system then fine. There are many Jewish friends of mine who are Christians. Islam may be the driving force of persecution soon, but they wont just kill Jews and Christians, but homosexuals and anyone else opposed to the Qu'ran. If you're not a Muslim, YOU WILL BECOME ONE. Christians desired freedom OF religion, Fundamental Islam gives you freedom to become a Muslim OR die.


This is true. I'm not arguing that Islam is any better or worse, so to speak, than Christianity or Judaism. But how do you deny the progression from Christianity to Islam? How do you know they are not right and Jesus was just a (great) prophet, and now Mohammad is God's final prophet? Christians expected the Jews to understand Jesus's coming as an end to the OT ways. Muslims will expect you (us) to see Mohammad's as an end to NT ways as well (or actually a restoration of religion before either the OT or the NT, I think).


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29 Aug 2007, 6:12 pm

Sub-sects of Islam have other "final prophets" than Mohammad. Usually the friendlier ones. I have friends who are Islamic at my bank, funny that they seem more open to Christianity than the people on WP. I would have to say Mohammad's visit with the angel Gabriel is about as true as John What's-his-name visit with the angel Moroni.



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29 Aug 2007, 6:19 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sub-sects of Islam have other "final prophets" than Mohammad. Usually the friendlier ones. I have friends who are Islamic at my bank, funny that they seem more open to Christianity than the people on WP. I would have to say Mohammad's visit with the angel Gabriel is about as true as John What's-his-name visit with the angel Moroni.


So you're denying Muhammad's (Sorry I always spell it incorrectly) receiving of God's final Word? Muhammad is not God's final prophet? Hmmm, that's interesting. Isn't that similar to what the Jews said about Jesus?

And yes, Islam does seem to be an open-minded, fair and accepting faith outside of the small sects.


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29 Aug 2007, 6:26 pm

EatingPoetry wrote:
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Sub-sects of Islam have other "final prophets" than Mohammad. Usually the friendlier ones. I have friends who are Islamic at my bank, funny that they seem more open to Christianity than the people on WP. I would have to say Mohammad's visit with the angel Gabriel is about as true as John What's-his-name visit with the angel Moroni.


So you're denying Muhammad's (Sorry I always spell it incorrectly) receiving of God's final Word? Muhammad is not God's final prophet? Hmmm, that's interesting. Isn't that similar to what the Jews said about Jesus?

And yes, Islam does seem to be an open-minded, fair and accepting faith outside of the small sects.


No you have it reversed, it's the small sects that are more open-minded and don't accept Mohammad as the FINAL prophet but each have their own final prophet. Mainstream Islam is the one that is closed minded and is responsible for killing off the small sects and Jews and Christians.



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29 Aug 2007, 6:36 pm

Is it? I'm really asking. I thought it was smaller "special interest groups" if you will that were the militant kill-the-infidels Muslims. I thought in general Islam and the Koran were inclusive, not so terrible.


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29 Aug 2007, 6:39 pm

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Because certain things are offensive to us because God says they offend Him.


He did did he? Did you talk to Him in a dream or something?



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29 Aug 2007, 6:45 pm

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Is it? I'm really asking. I thought it was smaller "special interest groups" if you will that were the militant kill-the-infidels Muslims. I thought in general Islam and the Koran were inclusive, not so terrible.


From books I've read about Islam, such as Nelson's Guide to Islam and the Qu'ran itself, it is. Islam is totally inclusive: you're free to accept Islam or you're dead.



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29 Aug 2007, 6:49 pm

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Because certain things are offensive to us because God says they offend Him.


He did did he? Did you talk to Him in a dream or something?


The dreams I have had are mostly about near future events of my life which I have to make a decision about, not usually about other people although they do involve other people. The Bible already outlines God's views, He doesn't need to keep repeating Himself and quite frankly if they don't listen to His Word they wont care to listen to Him personally.



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29 Aug 2007, 6:51 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Because certain things are offensive to us because God says they offend Him.


He did did he? Did you talk to Him in a dream or something?


The dreams I have had are mostly about near future events of my life which I have to make a decision about, not usually about other people although they do involve other people. The Bible already outlines God's views, He doesn't need to keep repeating Himself and quite frankly if they don't listen to His Word they wont care to listen to Him personally.


The bible was written by humans, not God. If you only look to the bible than you know nothing of God.



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29 Aug 2007, 6:57 pm

So if a secretary types what their boss says, does it make it any less valid than if the boss had typed it? Then I suppose you might argue that it was the typewriter that wrote it? Come on that is a lousy excuse.



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29 Aug 2007, 6:58 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Is it? I'm really asking. I thought it was smaller "special interest groups" if you will that were the militant kill-the-infidels Muslims. I thought in general Islam and the Koran were inclusive, not so terrible.


From books I've read about Islam, such as Nelson's Guide to Islam and the Qu'ran itself, it is. Islam is totally inclusive: you're free to accept Islam or you're dead.


Lol! but, not really funny. It does seem to be true. Is this why you don't accept Islam as supplanting Christianity? Muslims may not all hate Christians, but they certainly must not think both can be true at the same time, just as Christianity and Judaism cannot both be "true."


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29 Aug 2007, 6:59 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
So if a secretary types what their boss says, does it make it any less valid than if the boss had typed it? Then I suppose you might argue that it was the typewriter that wrote it?

Yes. The secretary will not precisely write what its boss said, just something vaguely the same. Also the secretary could write something else and pass it off as being written by its boss.



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29 Aug 2007, 7:00 pm

EatingPoetry wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Is it? I'm really asking. I thought it was smaller "special interest groups" if you will that were the militant kill-the-infidels Muslims. I thought in general Islam and the Koran were inclusive, not so terrible.


From books I've read about Islam, such as Nelson's Guide to Islam and the Qu'ran itself, it is. Islam is totally inclusive: you're free to accept Islam or you're dead.


Lol! but, not really funny. It does seem to be true. Is this why you don't accept Islam as supplanting Christianity? Muslims may not all hate Christians, but they certainly must not think both can be true at the same time, just as Christianity and Judaism cannot both be "true."

As an aside, did you know that muslim women are made to walk in front of men in certain countries in case of land mines.