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17 Nov 2024, 4:58 pm

Yes, there can be legitimate religious discrimination. That would be something like "You worship Christ? We don't allow your kind in this workplace!" it would not be something like someone facing backlash for being homophobic in a workplace or refusing to use someone's pronouns and then saying it's because of their religion.

The latter is what I typically see. That is what conservative Christians in the US think is unforgivable discrimination against them over "sincerely-held religious beliefs". It is nonsense.


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17 Nov 2024, 5:01 pm

^ Yep, no one is disputing religious discrimination happens although it is infrequent towards Christians in Western countries, but people often misconstrue scrutiny and criticism with discrimination. It’s not uncommon for Christians to claim they are being persecuted merely because someone disagrees with them.



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17 Nov 2024, 5:04 pm

whoever you are some as*hole won't like you. What about a black person hit with a DWB, that's pretty bad oppression



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17 Nov 2024, 5:16 pm

Harmonie wrote:
Yes, there can be legitimate religious discrimination. That would be something like "You worship Christ? We don't allow your kind in this workplace!" it would not be something like someone facing backlash for being homophobic in a workplace or refusing to use someone's pronouns and then saying it's because of their religion.

The latter is what I typically see. That is what conservative Christians in the US think is unforgivable discrimination against them over "sincerely-held religious beliefs". It is nonsense.


Expressed homophobia would be an example of discrimination based on sexual orientation.

The person who is unlawfully discriminating against an LGBTQ+ person in that instance, could conceivably also receive unlawful discrimination during any backlash in the form of belief discrimination.

The law gets a bit murky in these types of cases in practice. It would be difficult to argue a discrimination case in a court of law for example, for homophobic backlash, because the person receiving belief discrimination would also be perpetrating a different kind of discrimination (discrimination that violates the protected characteristic 'sexual orientation').



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18 Nov 2024, 3:40 am

Discrimination against Muslims.
Discrimination against Jews.
Discrimination against Wiccans.
Discrimination against Hindus.
On and on.

Way down the list is discrimination against the religion that has their scripture in hotel rooms and hospital wards across the land. Their places of worship on every second street. Their book shops, radio stations, and tv channels. Their bands. Their this, that, and everything else.

Then we get to their politicians who're trying to get Trump bibles into every room in every state school, Eleven commandments posters on every school and courthouse wall, and the dissolving of women's rights, gay marriages, and gay families.

To hell with Charia Law.

The bible says to do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.

Christians are afraid that might happen. But it hasn't. And probably won't. Not in the West.


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18 Nov 2024, 7:45 am

My guess as to why Christianity is singled out for scrutiny is that it has been historically considered a characteristic of the ruling class. As such, it's the only religion one can criticize without being accused of "punching down".

So basically, it's more anti-establishment than anti-theistic.


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18 Nov 2024, 9:30 am

Christianity causes more problems in the West than other religious groups due to its popularity here. It makes sense why it would be scrutinized more, not that people don’t talk about problems related to other groups, too.



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18 Nov 2024, 5:22 pm

It gets criticised because it's obsessed with the mote in other people's eyes while ignoring the log in its own eyes. It gets criticised because religion should begin and end with one's own beliefs and actions (and fellow believer community),but it continually tries to interfere in other people's lives.
It gets criticised because it opposed every push for freedom and equality. People who identified as Christian opposed desegregation, marriage equality, etc.

These same people ignore what Jesus ACTUALLY said, labelling those who do what he said to do as 'socialists' and 'woke'.

Nobody criticises Christians who do what Jesus said to do. Practice your religion, and as Petra sang, 'More Power to You'. We know wonderful Christians. I've helped out members at a local pentecostal church, and I'm not Christian. I'll be helping them set up for an event today.

But every attempt to deprive others of freedom or equality or health care because of misuse of religion will be called out. This is not persecution.


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