Christians Fight Back in the War Against Christmas

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19 Dec 2007, 5:01 pm

mmm im still a believer in a crucifix free christmas. I acccpt others feel differently but i think christmas sounds more appealing than crucerfix-mas or xmas. call me stubborn but i like things to be celebrated at the right time of year.

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19 Dec 2007, 5:14 pm

Lonelybonesey wrote:

... call me stubborn but i like things to be celebrated at the right time of year.

That is another thing separating Orthodox Christians from Catholics and Protestants - many use an older calendar, and celebrate Christmass on January 7! So they have already celebrated Christmass this year, and won't do so again until next year. Also, Easter can be up to five weeks later than the other branches of Christianity.

(Many American Orthodox have recently switched to the new calendar; some Orthodox families celebrate it twice).

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19 Dec 2007, 5:57 pm

wait a minute IM Catholic and i celebrate on the 25th of December. I dont care if this was not the true date of Jesus birth. All i know is i will celebrate Jesus birthday this Christmas on the 25th of December, i will call it christmas like it has been called before i was even born. I will not call iit xmas just because someone says the x is symbolic of the cross. I will say happy honakah to anyone who says it to me because they have as much right as christyions to celebrate their belief at whatever time of the year they like. It is not the time or name that really matter i have learnt the whole meaning is the meaning of which you are celebrating. :wink:

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19 Dec 2007, 10:38 pm

You are welcome to your traditions. I am not saying that the Eastern churches that use Jan 7 are more correct than the western churches that use Dec. 25. I am not saying that Christmas is more or less correct than Christmass or Christ's Mass. It is all pretty arbitrary, depending on what cultural traditions a person is used to. It is really about words being symbols - in some countries, they call it Yule or Jól or Weihnacht. Not asking you to write it as Xmas, just realize that people who do so are not comparing Jesus to their ex-boyfriends.

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19 Dec 2007, 11:47 pm

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just realize that people who do so are not comparing Jesus to their ex-boyfriends

When i read that my lungs almost exploded from laughter :lol:

I know their not what i was trying to say was that some people (always the minority) say xmas just to escape the relgiouse significance of it, and make christmas materialistic.

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20 Dec 2007, 5:00 pm

Lonelybonesey wrote:

I know their not what i was trying to say was that some people (always the minority) say xmas just to escape the relgiouse significance of it, and make christmas materialistic.

It is possible to celebrate X-mas as a time of family bonding and sharing good will. In other words, it can be neither materialistic nor religious.

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21 Dec 2007, 5:29 am

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Sure, that guy (or the group of ten that were apparently part of the attack) could be described as 'rednecks' and various other descriptors.

I do think it is a social expression of the whining and intolerance of a large number of Republican Christians who don't want to call holiday parties anything other than Christmas parties. They go on endlessly about how America is a Christian nation, and how there is a danger in accommodating people that are from some other minority religion. This time last year, one of them was telling me that if he went to Israel, he would wish every one a Happy Hannukah, because Israel is a Jewish nation and he would be a guest there (and America is a Christian nation in his book, so Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists and atheists should all conform to that).

When a President of the United State make statements along these lines, you know that things are going wrong. And his son, the current President, has done even more to encourage fanaticism.

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Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist.htm

Yes, arrests were made. Because the Constitution and laws are secular and guards the rights of all citizens. But the intolerance being spread by the religious right as part of their fictitious "War on Christmas - we are so persecuted" is BS.

I'm cool with Jesus, but some of his followers have me worried. Especially in the US.

I agree, it is your right as an american citizen to have freedom of religion.. Thats what the us was based on.. in the U.S. Constitution amendment 1 it says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. So what those guy did was wrong, I am a christian and anythough i do fight (for survival or competition only) Its not the christian way...

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21 Dec 2007, 5:40 am

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just realize that people who do so are not comparing Jesus to their ex-boyfriends

When i read that my lungs almost exploded from laughter :lol:

I know their not what i was trying to say was that some people (always the minority) say xmas just to escape the relgiouse significance of it, and make christmas materialistic.

Heck, the reason I would say X-Mas in a writing rather than Christmas is because im to Darn lazy to type it out... LOL :lol:

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23 Dec 2007, 4:09 pm

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Lonelybonesey wrote:

there alway those extremist in all religions who go out of their way to make out there religion is the best and they dont consider the other peoples beliefs and respect them. Its terrible.

Another thing im in disagreement about is the term 'xmas'. why take 'christ' out of christmas? Is it to be lazy while writing cards out? is seems like where not celebrating christs birthday and nor crismas has become xmas and is only about martirilistic values.

I always thought it was shortened to Xmas to make it shorter, but the meaning is still there. An X is a cross, which is the symbol of Christ.

the X is a greek Chi which is the symbol for Christ. . this argument was going on in the 1950's and was old and tired then.

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