Whats with the leftwing bent of Wrongplanet?

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Tone it down, man. Besides, you're making a few assumptions about my views that nothing I've said has given you a basis for.

You can't fight a threat like al Qaida with bombs and tanks, Raggy. The only thing that will work is intelligent diplomatic initiatives. It damages their credibility, which is really the only thing that keeps them afloat.

And Ragtime, be more specific: Islam has a fatwa on Christianity and vice versa. The Jews, as usual, are caught in the middle because, for some reason, they can't keep themselves from regularly being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or maybe they just have really bad luck. I can believe it, too: this Chinese place my boyfriend goes to (he's Reform, by the way) kept giving him these really bad fortune cookies. He got three of them in a row, and no one else there had this problem. It was insane.

Gee, look at the rankings.

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pag ... porkpercap

New York and California, right there at the bottom with Arizona. Go figure.

I see a lot of blue states in the lower rankings, man.

Nope. The military's been the biggest pork-pot of them all, man, at least insofar as the federal government.

I'm actually in favor of the government doing more spending on medical research. Some of the projects on there look pretty reasonable. I guess it's no coincidence that I'm going into the field. My, but ain't I a smart shopper.

The Republicans aren't going to make your taxes go away, Ragtime.

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

Last edited by Griff on 16 Apr 2008, 8:31 pm, edited 3 times in total.

My parents are hard working people working from paycheck to paycheck; they are as liberal as they come. So they must not exist in your alternate reality, eh? You are so deluded by capitalist lies about how everyone can supposedly be rich if they just work hard enough it's pathetic. I grew up in a poor, economically depressed rural community. Most of the people in my home town worked their asses off all their lives, and have little to show for it.

Calm down there Odin; I've not heard of American Muslims being particularly radical, I have heard of cases in which native born Muslims in Europe have gone more towards the radical side(could just be bad reporting, who knows). Maybe America just rawks at integrating immigrants, or maybe it's possible that there could be recruiting going on within.

Not that I want to feed Ragtime's paranoid rants...

Well, raping you doesn't sound like a bad idea at this point, Johnnie. Bend over.

Maybe the time has come to use their religion against
them in ways so horrific they have no choice but give
up terrorism. Would you suggest that instead of bombs
it might be better to drop 50 million bloody festering
pig carcasses on Mecca?



Credibility? Are you serious?
There is no diplomatic dealing with terrorists because
the death cult known as Islam knows no compromise.
Islam must ultimately be crushed and cleansed from
the face of the Earth. Not in the name of Christianity,
but in the name of humanity.

are you kidding me? i get 20% of my checks taken out. that's a lot when you don't make a lot of money to begin with. not to mention the tax on gas and the ever rising gas prices in general.

20% plus sales and property tax, so consider about 35-40%. We in the US live on the edge of a jenga puzzle. Whose turn is it?

people are stripped of their dignity being on government aid.



don't seem to be working too well, the imports are killing the country.

No, it isn't.

I am yet to find out how going out to invade every single country out there increases your safety though.

I'd agree to an extent (and probably not for the same reasons), but would not the "working class" require more government to level the playing field against these evil Middle Class people (sarcasm)?



The "foreign imports are bad" argument is nothing new, but for some reason people's fears of these imports are never realized. Consumers (which can include domestic producers) benefit from imports by having lower prices, more competition, higher quality, etc. Jobs get shifted around in the domestic economy (a cause of complaint since people only complain about old jobs lost, not new ones created which in many cases pay more), so there are some negative short run effects you could say; however, the benefits greatly outweigh these. In the early to mid 90s, Ross Perot was saying that if NAFTA was ratified American jobs would essentially go to Mexico and the United States would be worse off. Looking at the Bureau of Labor Statistics, you can clearly see our unemployment rate has not gone up after NAFTA was ratified (course it did rise during the 2001 recession, but it is a recession after all). If jobs were truly being "lost" we should have seen a much higher unemployment rate after NAFTA. You can also look at countries that tried to be protectionist, and you generally see a clear failure in that policy (the Latin American attempt for example), and worse product and quality options for consumers (Hindustan motors in India for ex).

I wonder if you have any items that are made in China or a foreign country? If so, aren't you better off because of it? If not, you could still buy clothes for example that are made in the USA (they just happen to cost alot more), so why didn't you?

imported labor continues to hurt this country
far worse than imported (Chinese) products



the unending influx of imported labor prides
itself on its elgibility for government aid while
US citizens pay to birth and educate their children
who will one day vote their ethnicity above the
principles the nation was founded on.

Nah, that would offend the Jews. Well, I dunno: the Jews I've known personally eat more pork than I've ever seen a human being consume. Let's see; they get pork when they order from the chinese place, they get pork sausage when they order breakfast in the morning...every single meal, they somehow work it in. I do tend to associate with weirdoes, though.

Nah, it would be in the name of Christianity, alright. That's what it's always been about, man: the towel-heads vs. the ring-kissers. It's all garbage. It's always been garbage. Again, tactical, secular diplomacy would undermine the terrorists more effectively than military intervention ever could. It's like running for political office, only the whole world is the voting population, and we need to get the world to vote for America. People are paying close attention to how we conduct ourselves on the political stage, and our adversaries lay in wait to libel and slander us on any premise they can find. A political slip-up, in this war, is like losing an important battle during a war fought with missiles and submarines. When the US comes across to Iranians as monsters, how do you think this affects Ahmadinejad's less extreme political adversaries?

[To put my post in perspective: I am Dutch and political basically central (though I am not following any politcal view blindly. In American terms a Dutch central would be very liberal already. It's a cultural thing.]

I believe there is another reason not yet mentioned here. A lot of Aspies have problems coping in social life and need assistence with things. The rightwing view on this is these people should always cope for themselves and for some people that is just leaving them to their fate. The extreme rightwing view is ofcourse that these inferior people just should not be. The extreme leftwing view is that no cost should be spared to give them the best in life. The first view is immoral, the second impossible, but there are many variations between them. Where in this spectrum one is is related to upbringing, disposition and experience. Having problems in life will influence experience a lot.

This is not just a theory, but what happened to me. My parents are more rightwing here in the Netherlands. As a kid ofcourse you adopt your parents views, so when I was 18 I voted the then rightwing party (since then some real scary parties came; I never voted for them). Later however first I had my own major depression and could not study for a period (I did have a job, but that was just a sidejob). This made me see that the basic view of the rightwing that sick people in general are just frauds was not true. Sure there are frauds but not more than in other groups.
Later I found my girlfriend who is a worse aspie than I am. I am afraid I have to say she can absolutely not hold a job for more than a few hours a week. When she did work as a volunteer for two afternoons it took her 2 or 3 days of rest everytime afterwards. She would really really prefer to be able to work, but she just can't. Therefore I am very happy she gets a so-called WaJong (welfare for young disabled people) so we can afford to live together and I was able to take time off and take care of her. Without wanting to sound dramatic I am not sure she would be alive now otherwise.
Still later my mother got a very bad stroke and is severely disabled now. While my parents have some money I think it's a great thing my mothers salary is partly continued and a lot of treatment is done by the insurance. This enables them to continue the lifestyle they have worked for all their lives.

My girlfriends father died monday and from the inherentence a lot of money will go to the state. Ofcourse she'd rather not pay, that is just natural. On the other hand we gladly pay it because we know what is done with it. The same goes for the taxes I pay. Actually I hate the fact of getting less than I earn, but I love the fact I live in a country where people get the help they need more.

Having said this all, I believe in the Netherlands we go a bit far in all this. The money my girlfriend gets should be enough to live ofcourse, but at this time I think it is a bit more than that (which we gladly accept ofcourse, we're only human). Besides we should do more in making partly disabled people work, but that must come from both sides: there should be more places to work as well.

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Writing this all I thought of another reason why a lot of leftwing aspies come to this site. What I see around me is that rightwing people have a much harder time admitting they have problems in some way.

Anybody with the smallest bit of attention to the way the current Republican administration has screwed up the economy, the national debt, the education system, the ecology, the infrastructure, the support of vital research in medicine and physics, the space program, the tax system, reaction to natural disasters, civil rights, the military, homeland security and probably quite a few others and still remains in support of the ongoing incompetence under the flag of conservatism is, frankly, either psychotic or dumb as a bag of hammers. I may not admire all the programs under liberalism, but I'm sure as hell not a masochist.

You are right on a lot of points. But this is primarily a discussion on political sides, not on political practice. Incompetence is not limited to one side or the other. Probably the Bush government has screwed up so bad economy and security worldwide will have problems because of it, but that is related only sideways with his political views. For that reason I'd rather have a competent administration in place that does not agree with me than an incompetent one that does. That is by the way the good thing about the next elections: whoever wins, things will improve .

The US Democratic administrations have hands pretty much as dirty and incompetent in many ways as the Republicans since corruption and double dealing is as American as apple pie but it was under the enthusiastic Republicans in the late 1920's that unregulated speculation caused the great depression and precisely the same thing happened under the current Bush administration with a helping hand from Clinton in his deregulation which has resulted in the present mess. Neither party is free of guilt or stupidity or greed but it is the major corporations and the financial institutions who are firmly welded to what are considered conservative principles and it is those principles that have underlaid most of the problems that the world has today.