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24 Nov 2005, 12:53 am

Prone to what heated arguments. It should of been in My first question I asked on thread.


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24 Nov 2005, 1:00 am

:: shrugs :: eh



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24 Nov 2005, 1:12 am

I really would like honest thoughts and how people really see it honestly. Not some nasty arguments about it if at all possible.


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25 Nov 2005, 10:41 am

i belive that God exsits. i belive this because i have seen and experienced God in various ways. i have seen answers to prayer, God being present at a large Christian event, also God has helped me though the diffeculties of have AS.
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25 Nov 2005, 12:45 pm

irishmic wrote:
One startling fact is the significant lack of intermittent species in the fossil record.
That means you would have to explain for significant jumps in the evolution of species via chance.
Something that is extremely difficult to do.


Despite that we seem to have an overabundance of fossils, their formation is very rare considering there must be certain numerous conditions which must occur to allow for fossil formation. The number of fossils we have is very small in contrast to the VAST number of species who have lived and perished on earth.


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25 Nov 2005, 12:59 pm

I do not think Fundamentalists will ever be able to disprove the Theory of Evolution, unless it is falsely through denouncing Evolution via politics and senseless legislation.

I do not believe in a god or gods. Nor any divine being. I have found no personal evidence of any of it other than through perceptual interpretation. But no evidence through logic (I'm not saying "science," I'm saying "logic".) And I have nothing against any religion except for the small-minded and pushy people believing in it who do not respect the right of others to their own beliefs without having other beliefs pushed upon them.

I've found most Fundamentalists whom I've met to be absolute hypocrites of the teachings of their own Jesus. Stupidity, deliberate blindness, hypocracy, and taking the Bible, reading it, and twisting it to their own bigotted beliefs. Spitting scripture back as evidence without any of the reverance they profess, as though it is some TOOL to be manipulated.


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19 Dec 2005, 7:17 pm

i dont belive in god


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04 Jan 2006, 12:59 am

If god "intelligently designed" me then he has a sick sense of humour.



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04 Jan 2006, 1:18 am

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05 Jan 2006, 4:48 am

I hope that wasnt a personal attack. :?



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06 Jan 2006, 1:58 pm

eamonn wrote:
If god "intelligently designed" me then he has a sick sense of humour.
You must remember He has "intelligently designed" Us all eamonn not just You.

I think He does have a sense of humor but it is not so sick as You may beleive in the end.


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30 Jul 2006, 10:46 am

I’ve always been a little amused that creationists argue that creationism is a science. It seems to me that the more correct argument is that science is a religion. It’s based on some fundamental, unprovable assumptions or beliefs, namely that 1) the universe works in some sort of orderly manner and 2) we can discern what that orderly manner is. I’ve always felt like any Christian who needs scientific validation for their beliefs has a weakness of faith, a fundamental tenet of Christianity. We seem to worship science, I guess because we have greater faith in it.


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30 Jul 2006, 11:14 am

Yeah, the problem is that science and religion emerged from the same realm of human culture.
Science however is more self critical, so it has distanced itself from religion through a long series of experiments and observation.
Some religions however, such as "creationism" still insist on making scientific claims, with nothing to base them on other than very early, almost prehistoric hypotheses.


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30 Jul 2006, 11:35 am

MrMark wrote:
1) the universe works in some sort of orderly manner
2) we can discern what that orderly manner is.


I don't think that Science assumes either of these things. Those are some of the things Science sets out to establish. Both Science and Religion are just ways of understanding what is a very confusing world. Both "assume" some coherence in the world, they have to, to try and explain it. The main difference is, as spacemonkey said, Science is self critical; it makes observations, theories and then tests them etc... Religion is about faith. Both have their uses.

By the way, once again this is not intended as criticism. Also, I am not stalking you to pick flaws in your arguements. :)



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30 Jul 2006, 11:46 am

Ok I'll have to refer to my earlier post about the distorted concept of "faith"
This word is so abused.

MrMark is sort of right, science is faithful to its process of self critical experimentation in a search for truth. In this sense it is very much like religion.

Religion should be in the same way, a faith (or fidelity) to certain practices which will lead one to the truth, not a blind acceptance of dogma.

Faith does not mean acceptance of something with no proof. This is a new idea, that developed in response to science, I believe.

Sorry, just a pet peeve.


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30 Jul 2006, 11:50 am

Z wrote:
Religion is about faith.

By the way, once again this is not intended as criticism. Also, I am not stalking you to pick flaws in your arguements. :)
s'okay.
BTW, I didn't say religion is about faith. I said faith is a fundamental tenant of Christianity. Knowing is a fundamental tenant of Buddhism. When asked what if new scientific discovery comes into conflict with scripture, the Dalai Lama responded, "Then the scriptures will have to be changed."


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