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05 Aug 2008, 3:35 pm

That was a joke, the thing about converting heathens. :wink: :wink:

Heathens exist within Christendom as well as outside it. Make no mistake about that.



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05 Aug 2008, 3:37 pm

That's good, slowmutant, you made me feel better :lol:



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05 Aug 2008, 4:39 pm

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Dante's devil had none of the ditheistic power of the modern popular devil. He just kinda sat there. Frozen. Chewing on Judas. Not the kind of Satan I'd expect to find in Georgia...


Point taken. Was thinking of the opposite-of-God aspect, not involved, not aware, effectively not being, but at the same time an embodiment of Hell as an afterlife destination.

[quote="Haliphron]...You cannot have one without the other as every Force in the Cosmos has an opposing force as required by Supersymmetry...[/quote]

It may be what many believe, but that's not Supersymmetry at all. Really, look it up.


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05 Aug 2008, 4:50 pm

What is Supersymmetry, then?



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05 Aug 2008, 5:02 pm

This is.

UC-Berkeley also has a nice introductory piece.

The Merriam-Webster definition of Supersymmetry:
"the correspondence between fermions and bosons of identical mass that is postulated to have existed during the opening moments of the big bang and that relates gravity to the other forces of nature"

Wasn't trying to harp. Grock the yin-yang theory being advanced, but not being an ontic dualist, ultimately must unify for preferred monist theory.


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05 Aug 2008, 5:09 pm

I have no idea what you're talking about. :?



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05 Aug 2008, 10:03 pm

slowmutant wrote:
I have no idea what you're talking about. :?


Did you follow the links? Or do you mean about ontic dualism? If the latter, it comes down to the structure of the universe; the origin is singular, not dual. Negative and positive are electromagnetism, but the other forces have only positive values. That leaves the Devil at causing atoms to resist transmission through other atoms, which is not exactly the opposite of creating the universe. Polarities like good and evil don't actually exist, for practical purposes all is good.


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05 Aug 2008, 10:09 pm

Oh, I couldn't disagree more. All is NOT good and there IS a symmetry between good and evil in the spiritual realm. All the world religions acknowledge the existence of good and evil. Believe it or not, this is totally outside the realm of science. Science can't explain God or the Devil. It tries, but it simply cannot.



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05 Aug 2008, 10:54 pm

Well, given the lack of evidence for them, there's nothing to explain.


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06 Aug 2008, 9:29 am

Dogbrain wrote:
Chaotica wrote:
By the way, there can be nothing absolute, neither certainty nor uncertainty, otherwise it is called stupidity.

And "God and Satan are Equal (in strength) and Opposite Spiritual Forces. You cannot have one without the other as every Force in the Cosmos has an opposing force as required by Supersymmetry" are words similar to what I think.


Funny, but you are so absolute in your certainty of that. What does it say of you?
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If the Devil promise to reward the wicked instead of torturing them, he will be able to tips the balance of power.



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06 Aug 2008, 9:33 am

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If the Devil promise to reward the wicked instead of torturing them, he will be able to tips the balance of power.


This is exactly what he does. The Devil always promises but never delivers. He is the inventor of the false promise, father of lies.



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06 Aug 2008, 9:45 am

This is called absolutism, which is the converse of relativism. I think is healthier to question things regularly. There is some evidence that a certain amount of self-delusionment is good for mental health, but only in a temporary and still relative way. E.g. willing yourself to belive that you are going to do something well, actually can contribute to you doing better than you expected and not doing less well if you hadn’t. Even if it is not 100% succesful in a lot of situations it can't hurt. But once it goes beyond the personal realms this means that you need to control someone else’s life because of your own neurosis/obsession.



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06 Aug 2008, 10:05 am

slowmutant wrote:
Oh, I couldn't disagree more. All is NOT good and there IS a symmetry between good and evil in the spiritual realm. All the world religions acknowledge the existence of good and evil. Believe it or not, this is totally outside the realm of science. Science can't explain God or the Devil. It tries, but it simply cannot.


Religion is a product of evolution, thus follows its rules. SCIENCE through the laws of evolution explain why humanity Evolved to become religious.

This link will clear things up for you, as I am not going to explain evolution AGAIN!
http://dinets.travel.ru/religion0.htm



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06 Aug 2008, 10:49 am

slowmutant wrote:
Oh, I couldn't disagree more. All is NOT good and there IS a symmetry between good and evil in the spiritual realm. All the world religions acknowledge the existence of good and evil. Believe it or not, this is totally outside the realm of science. Science can't explain God or the Devil. It tries, but it simply cannot.


Science also cannot explain Flying Spaghetti Monster. Science also cannot explain "Bob". Does this mean that, in your opinion, the Flying Spaghetti Monster and "Bob" should be given the same credence you give to God or the devil?



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06 Aug 2008, 10:56 am

I'm confused ... whose sacred sky-fairy is the topic of discussion this time?



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06 Aug 2008, 10:59 am

Fnord wrote:
I'm confused ... whose sacred sky-fairy is the topic of discussion this time?


JEHOVA1 is God. Are you ready for X-Day?