02 Sep 2008, 2:57 pm
02 Sep 2008, 3:01 pm
intense wrote:
Age1600 wrote:
intense wrote:
intense wrote:
what if it was discovered early on that the child has a painful degenerative disease and would have a VERY POOR quality of life - everyday would mean extreme suffering how would you feel then?
I only ask as sadly these are the kind of decisions some poor people have to make in real life.
None of the pro life people here have answered my question - I wonder why? It is an uncomfortable one isn't it, but some people are sadly forced to make decisions like the one I mentioned above.I only ask as sadly these are the kind of decisions some poor people have to make in real life.
Things aren't black and white there are shades of grey, so I ask again if your baby was going to be born with a degenerative disease which causes terrible pain and suffering for a very extended period after it’s birth would you still decide to continue with the pregnancy or not.
I personally would have to think of the child first and if it was only going to suffer for the short time it was going to live for than I would be forced to at least consider a termination, what right have I to let such suffering continue when I could have prevented it.
No matter what my feelings are about the sanctity of life I would have real trouble with the suffering it would cause to go through with the birth of a child that would experience nothing but pain and utter misery.
I know a family who had a baby found out in the womb that the baby may have this weird disorder that affects the way the baby feels pain, even though, the mother still had the baby, instead found out the baby had a disorder that stops the child from feeling any pain at all! So everybody thinks what a great thing that is, no it isnt, in fact the little girl chewed off her hand, she didnt feel it, poked her eye until she was blind, if she fell and broke her leg nobody would know, the mother had to assume that something was wrong, she wasnt getting any signals that it was hurtin her so it didnt matter to her, now that mother tells ppl everywhere that be lucky you feel pain! Now that mother knew her baby was going to be born with this or soemthing related to this but still gave that baby a chance! You have no idea what people are capable of, how even sometimes children who have the worst diseases, disorders in the world who end up being the best advocate and changing this world. Like the baby born with mermaid syndrome, the mother still had her, yet now shes worldwide known, and they had several operations so she could walk, now shes doing amazing. Doctors told my one friend her baby was going to have spinabifida, that you abort it if u wanted to, well she didnt, guess what, the baby didnt have spinabifida! Doctors dont always know much at all. Also what about the actor who has down syndrome, goes to show you that he didnt let his disability stop him, or the people with down syndrome getting married, what about those? Nobody talks about the amazing people out there who despite their disabilities are changing this world as we know it! Nobody knows for sure what their aborting at all, and nobody knows what that child who was aborted could have been, or where they would end up! There are tons of agencies you can just give that baby up to without even letting them know, tons, i use to help out one, open door pregancy center i think it was called, where they got donations and help so people who dont want children can give up their child without all this paper work or ppl knowing their an unfit mother, and give this child a chance to live life. Don't you think everybody should have the chance to live, jsut because one person says this child will suffer, how the heck do you know how that child is going to handle its life, how do you not know that child will rise above it and prove everybody wrong. Nobody can make that decision, that child should have a right to live, right to make their decisions in life.
What other cases are you refering too then? what about people who abuse the abortion privaleges and just kill babies left and right because they dont bother to use birth control, and dont want a baby, but love the sex, and since abortion is legal, why not jsut abort every child you get pregnant with, thats what many girls think! While many families are desperate to even have a child, my mother was one of them, she found out she couldnt have children, and lost it, took her years just to be able to adopt, had to go through many different tests to find out if their even qualified, yet some parents just can have them whenever they want and abort them also while some are fighting, desperately to even own a child! My mother flew 3 times to colombia, south america to adopt 3 different children while a lot of women are aborting them left and right, some people are actually fighting doing the impossible, speanding tons of money just to be able to say they have a child, i dont think thats fair at all! Yes you hear how the kid needs to get out of the mother, can kill the mother, but usually the best technique is inducing labor and if that child doesnt make it, thats a different story, but if they did do abortion it can cause more serious complications to the woman then anything.
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02 Sep 2008, 3:51 pm
cybershooter wrote:
Age1600 wrote:
Yes you hear how the kid needs to get out of the mother, can kill the mother, but usually the best technique is inducing labor and if that child doesnt make it, thats a different story, but if they did do abortion it can cause more serious complications to the woman then anything.
Age1600, what is the source of your medical knowledge? How do you know an abortion "can cause more serious complications to the woman then [sic] anything"?
I had to do many many many studies on abortions in school, the only thing i actually was knowledgable, i took a course in college surprisingly and they wanted me to do follow up studies, had to do a rebudle um i think i mispelled that haha. Went to planned parenthood, opendoor pregnancy, hospitals, doctors who perform abortions, doctors who are against abortions themselves. Talked to many families at childrens specialized hospital, open door preganncy center and planned parenthood center who told their experiences and their thoughts. Before any of that i was against due to my own circumstances, ill find those reports i had to get done, and show u pictures of babies being aborted, or pictures of the actual procedure being done, or even pictures of how the drug RU568 i think thats the name of it, and how it affects the woman, the sideaffects that most ppl dont tell u. I also actually held the metal thing to use to go up inside the woman to crush the babies skull, and what it looked like and how they did it, its absolutely Disgusting! I met babies who were born way to early, who like a poster previous said how the mother had cancer and needed to get the baby out, met a baby who was induced to a similiar incident, the baby and mother survived, the baby was so premature, has cerebral paulsi, and severely undeveloped lungs, but is the cutest baby. So yes a lot of my knowledge on abortions is actually very real, seen, studied, knowledge.
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02 Sep 2008, 4:18 pm
Heres a little cartoon pic of my opinion on abortions
Yes crazy i know, I have more pix i gotta find them though, i think they may be on my old computer. Anyways i did so much research into abortions that it can scare ya, and found out some scary stuff thatll make anybody change their minds, so yes im very knowledgable in this subject and its funny because most subjects im as knowledgable as a 5year old, go figure lool.
Edited because of how disgusting it really was, im sorry if i made anybody upset by these pictures
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02 Sep 2008, 4:21 pm
cybershooter wrote:
Age1600 wrote:
cybershooter wrote:
Age1600 wrote:
Yes you hear how the kid needs to get out of the mother, can kill the mother, but usually the best technique is inducing labor and if that child doesnt make it, thats a different story, but if they did do abortion it can cause more serious complications to the woman then anything.
Age1600, what is the source of your medical knowledge? How do you know an abortion "can cause more serious complications to the woman then [sic] anything"?
I had to do many many many studies on abortions in school, the only thing i actually was knowledgable, i took a course in college surprisingly and they wanted me to do follow up studies, had to do a rebudle um i think i mispelled that haha. Went to planned parenthood, opendoor pregnancy, hospitals, doctors who perform abortions, doctors who are against abortions themselves. Talked to many families at childrens specialized hospital, open door preganncy center and planned parenthood center who told their experiences and their thoughts. Before any of that i was against due to my own circumstances, ill find those reports i had to get done, and show u pictures of babies being aborted, or pictures of the actual procedure being done, or even pictures of how the drug RU568 i think thats the name of it, and how it affects the woman, the sideaffects that most ppl dont tell u. I also actually held the metal thing to use to go up inside the woman to crush the babies skull, and what it looked like and how they did it, its absolutely Disgusting! I met babies who were born way to early, who like a poster previous said how the mother had cancer and needed to get the baby out, met a baby who was induced to a similiar incident, the baby and mother survived, the baby was so premature, has cerebral paulsi, and severely undeveloped lungs, but is the cutest baby. So yes a lot of my knowledge on abortions is actually very real, seen, studied, knowledge.
Forgive me for being so direct, but what you say sounds more touchy-feely rather than real medical knowledge of the subject. I too have seen pictures and films of the abortion process, have studied preserved aborted foetuses, am familiar with the drug RU486 mifepristone and it's side effects (actually most drugs have side effects that people don't talk about), have seen the equipment used in performing an abortion and didn't have any particular feelings about it (but then I've had some medical training). I think you're understandably biased in being anti-abortion, given your family background. It's important to remember that while there might be other people out there in similar circumstances who deserve your sympathy, there will be others in different circumstances, whom you'll need to empathize with and allow to make their own decisions as they see best for their particular set of circumstances.
A pro-choice stance empowers individuals and family units to make the decision for themselves depending on their own unique set of circumstances. The choice can be to keep a baby diagnosed with Down's syndrome, or to abort it, depending on their beliefs and the resources available to them. Once the decision is made, the best that the rest of us can do is to support the choice of the parent(s).
Actually i dont have feelings until i actually saw babies who were aborted in real life, thats when the feeling actually hit me for the first time, and u know what it was the worst thing i ever saw. And yes i held the actual little device they use and saw how its demonstrated, and then was told how serious it can be. Also most circumstances can be taken care of by inducing labor instead of abortions, and its not just my personal experience or opinion, its what ive seen from families, places, and doctors that makes me choose to be against abortion. Medical stuff, i can go on alll day about, know all the history on abortions, know the causes, the pain, and everything. My iq may not be high but when it comes to this stuff, i know what im saying!
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