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Wow.. that's really deep.. but since I have no clue what you're talking about, I cannot change my perspective on the illuminati.. while you were right with many thigns, I still have no clue what you're talking about.. it's like looking into the middle of an essay thats out of context.. I don't get what your point is.

Wow is right.
You've covered a lot here. I suspect you are right and there is quite a bit more your could say about this.

It's hard for me to address specifics here because there is so much, plus you've kind of threaded, doubled back, and re-threaded quite a bit.

I'm not one to dismiss 'secret societies' or even esoterica out of hand. But I need something that manifests on this plane that is a little more substantial than an amalgam of youtube videos made by who knows who, with who knows what motive.

That having been said.

Are there any books (even a shelf-ful of them) that support any of this historically?

Also a couple of general questions here.

Some of this has the ring of some very specific, individual, personal beliefs. Just you? Or Just your sect (if you belong to one)? What evidence do you have of all of these sects? Have you met so many of these different people? (Many of these specific questions are fueled by idle curiosity. No offense.)



Come across that before. Think it's neat. Clever of them to put it on the money.



Interesting... but proof?



I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here. Are you implying symbiosis? And that that symbiosis creates a force, or is a force, in and of itself that is more powerful than the divine or ourselves? This Providence that you speak of later... Same thing?



Again. Proof? If they are contributing are they doing so knowingly? Even just a few members?



This sounds like one religious point of view making decisions for every one, whether they agree or not because it is in their 'best interests', but we will do it anyway because we know better. But maybe I misunderstood you.

yeah, well maybe you should start making your own judegements and stick to it.. im just wondering what your idea of substantial evidence is. how is it possible to obtain substantial evidence if you dont believe what anybody who believes it says?.. it seems you're just as biased as any conspiracist.



Well, The Illuminati made a book called 'Atlas Shrug', and in it is their plans for world domination, but it only describes these plans through a story, but you have to skip the first 200 pages.. I beleive it's stil possible to get ahold of this book in major bookstores but i havent checked it out for myself.. after they sold a million copies of the book they got angry and tried to take the book out of print, but the publishers didnt want to because they were making lots of money off of it. obviously, word got out about the book, as it's not meant to be read by anyone other than illuminati members..

As for books ABOUT the illuminati from an outside glance, well, apparently that Svali girl who used to be in the Illuminati wrote a book.. I doubt its in print but ya never know.. look it up..?

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Here's an ex-Illuminati man with a great audio explanation about them. He went missing after a while.

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DerUFYMExS8
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9FOuCHS ... re=related
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcqeVP39 ... re=related
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPKoV5el ... re=related
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDoyJvAV ... re=related
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN4VPFWm ... re=related
7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koHdMRk1 ... re=related
8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3NRZAfI ... re=related

Atlas Shrugged is a terrible novel by Ayn Rand, and it's (unfortunately) not rare at all

There is no such thing as the 'Illumnati'; you are horribly misinformed

elaborate how im misinformed..?

Basically I have alot of stuff in my head and trying to share it helps me in a number of ways. One it gives me practice on organizing it enough to get it from my head to the pen so to speak. With so much information floating around in my head it's hard sometimes to try to explain what I see when I look at it all to where people will understand it. Especially occult things, which for the most part we are conditioned to not see even tho the external or physical world is literally made of its evidence.

It also seems that when the information seems a little hazy (missing crucial elements, inaccuracies, things not jiving with my not quite complete world view, etc.) that attempting to tell others about it creates a flow situation so I get new information coming in. Even as I'm trying to explain what I'm seeing, it is shifting and changing as I mentally maneuver around it looking for the best angle to use to "show" it. The very act of telling about it starts a flow of new ideas and ways of looking at it and things tangentially related to it.

Not that it's ever happened, but I like to "throw it out there" to see if anyone recognizes it and picks it up. I usually put something obscure out there that can't be found in any book off the shelf to see if anyone bites. Even if they don't want to expose themselves for fear of ridicule or worse, they at least know that they aren't alone in their endeavors. I already know I'm not alone in mine, but for most of my life I didn't, I thought I had to do it all on my own.

I know there are other savants working with me and each other on everything we do in that borderland world between our waking (external) and dream (internal) worlds. I refer to myself as "we" when I'm in that state and I know from the things that I work on there that it's beyond my individual intelligence. It's like we are somehow connecting to each other's minds thru our synaptic centers. Maybe we are all tuned to a specific key note created by being of like mind and purpose. What it "feels like" is connecting to the most advanced neural network ever devised and having it become one with your own mind. It's the biggest reason I'd never want to be "normal".

I don't really "know" anything, I have a bunch of crap in my head that I'm doing my best to sort out and make sense of, and coming here seems to be helping. I don't "know" if any of it is real, but then I don't "know" that this reality we call the real world is real. To me it's as hazy and fuzzy as my dream world. I tend not to debate anything because I'm not trying to defend it, in fact in most cases my world view has already evolved beyond it before I can even get done writing about it.

I act like I know what I'm talking about because it sets up a stronger "flow" within me. Sorry if it comes out a little disfigured sometimes but I can't f'g write or talk as fast as I can think so I end up having to loop back around it a few times in my head to get it out there and sometimes I lose my train of thought.

If nothing else, I'm learning a lot about autism which is helping me figure myself out.

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I wasn't responding to you personally, but rather to the discussion about illuminati and the occult symbolism of the one dollar bill.

I guess my point was to add a dimension to it all that most people probably never see to counterbalance all the drama, hysteria, and obvious misconceptions that are repeated over and over about this subject. Sorry if you thought it was directed at you or anyone here personally, I just picked a post that contained the material I was trying to elaborate on.

You mistook Atlas Shrugged for a book that explained the plans for world domination of some shady clandestine organization

In reality, it is only a sh***y sh***y conservative/libertarian novel

Like, where do you get this stuff?



Maybe not.

Nuked a messed up layout of the post below

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You don't say you read it or why you are of the "opinion" that was terrible, you simply picked something out and took a shot at it. Rationalize it any way you want, but all you did was take a pot shot at another person's idea with no productive intent. You simply enter the discussion to offend and irritate by refuting and then claim through self authority that you're right, they're wrong and not only are they wrong but they are stupid for even offering their opinion.








Assuming now that you know what other people are thinking? Then you stick your foot in your mouth by claiming in one post that the illuminati doesn't exist, and in another that they are some shady clandestine organization as if you knew your ass from a hole in the ground.



Your dim view of everything that doesn't fit into your narrow little black and white dictatorial world. Your dim view of others... guess who you're really looking at?



Again, you can't just enter a discussion and post your opinion as your opinion, it has to be fact because it is coming from you and you know all the facts. If people challenge that and don't immediately accept your word as the authority on a matter you try to reinforce your position of authority by attempting to make them look stupid. Here again, guess who you're really making look stupid.






Really? That's the best you could do with all those facts, phd and massive intellect? Translation: "I don't understand it so I can't refute it but I don't want anything challenging my overall authority so I have to belittle it"

I get a little fuzzy on details sometimes, I tend to look at things in patterns and themes. In looking at 367 posts by you, you have the exact same pattern throughout all of them. Refute, claim all factual knowledge on the subject belongs to you, and then reinforce your authoritative position by belittling anything or anyone that challenges it.

There is also a theme to your post history. All your posts are very "clinical". There is zero compassion for others to be found in any of your posts, little or no understanding of humor and an obvious and even angry disdain for your fellow man. Kind of like a trapped animal lashing out and attacking humans trying to free it because it was a human that set the trap. Why doesn't your massive intellect tell you that these are acute symptoms of autism?

I'm not trying to take anything away from you, you obviously have a fabulous mind for facts and figures but consider that you're autistic and your abilities above and beyond others in those areas are balanced out by a lack of them in other areas. Like or not, the pattern and theme of your posts are classic examples of the social ineptness caused by applying all of your resources to a specialized area. It isn't that everyone else in the room is wrong or stupid, it's autism and its wonderful social side effects.

Thus my comment to you in another thread: "We're all tards here, let's not be throwing rocks in a glass house "

You do understand what that means right? Not asking to be insulting but because I notice that your mind likes everything to be black and white (again because of the autism) and it's not.

And we ARE all on the same side here, regardless of what it looks like on the surface.

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Coooool. Do me next? No sarcasm here at all. Really. I try not to put too much stock into other's opinion or deduction of me, but it is still interesting to hear their perspective.

You would do that to me wouldn't you?

I think I'm about to become some other kind of bird now, too bad they don't have a loon.

Awww...Come on. Even a loon is better than a chicken.
(Just kidding. Please do not let that statement bias your evaluation.)

You're awesome.. I especially like the part where you said he was a spec of dirt

Ahaha jk! but seriously I respect you massively.. I understand you, and your views.. At first I thought you were counter-playing something i said but now I understand it a little better..