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All of it! and you say I make things up!.. look at you!.. you're nose is getting bigger!

What have I lied about, specifically?

My questions were not supposed to be rhetorical yknow. Can we put the handbags away and get back to de-conspiracising? (Made that word up, but I like it.)

Suggest a few of you look up HAARP and what they're actually doing.

Shawn, some people just refuse to see what's literally right in front of their eyes... nothing much we can do.

Yes exactly kiwi Did you read my original post?

Shawn hasn't demonstrated he understands condensation, and dissipation of condensation in atmosphere. So really anything after this is conjecture.

What exactly is the point of these ‘contrails’? We make plenty of pollution through traditional burning of fossil fuels.

Kiwi there are many interesting phenomena that seem odd at first, why cherry pick this one? Are you actually interested in finding out how it works? Why don’t you really try and do your homework, rather than jumping to conclusion it must be a government conspiracy immediately. I don’t want to overly influence you as I may be biased. Knowledge is power after all.

HAARP has nothing to do with contrails and isn't a secret, whether you agree with it or not

Err, let me see.

1 - I've done meteorology, I know how clouds work
2 - I've done my homework before reaching any conclusions. I certainly haven't 'jumped' to any, more taken a slow, careful stroll, examining evidence and coming to the conclusion that something is going on that shouldn't be. I don't know who or what or why, and I doubt I ever will, but what the evidence would suggest to me is that it's not natural and it's not good.
3 - There are a lot of things I'm interested in. This is just one. Probably because it's so glaringly obvious - one only needs to look outside and you'll see it. Sure, it's not every day. Nor is it every contrail or every plane, by any means. But it is frequent and it is global.




Nope and nope, but it does have a lot to do with weather modification, which is something a lot of people have been posting about on this thread, and it's about as far from 'good' as you can get. Hail the benevolent government and all that.

Given that the US government has already openly admitted to the idea of using weather modification as a weapon, the necessity for conspiracy theories involving grey aliens and Illuminati seems dubious.

If the government ever decides to flat out tell people what's going on, then there will be no need for conspiracy.

Who the fuck are you?.. I didn't realise I was being graded on my performance.. If I haven't demonstrated it to your liking, that's not really my concern, there is nothing complicated to understand about cloud formation, and condensation. You're a real tool.


How could you or I know their true agenda..? whether it is truly an Illuminati agenda or some weather control tactic is besides the point. If it is merely weather control, well, how can it be going on over the whole planet, and nobody hears about it from anyone of authority?



I'll be sure to avoid this forum, you're all the same here, and it's a waste of time. I hope you enjoy talking about the same things over and over and over while the world gets a little shittier and you sit there twiddling your thumbs until it just dawns on you one day that your backyard is now a toxic wasteland

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Don't think anyone's suggesting it's the grey aliens making the chemtrails on their daily abduction rounds.

...said the bona fide meteorologist.

HAARP is not secret. Not only is its existence and location public knowledge, some of their research gets published in the peer-reviewed literature - anybody that pays a subscription can download these publications. I'm sure some of their data is not public due to DoD involvement (which incidentally also happens when private industry is involved even if there is nothing 'suspicious' about it, but the company wants to protect its intellectual property and not help competitors) - that is not proof or evidence at all that they are doing anything more 'conspiratorial' than doing research in jamming enemy radio communications.
No shred of evidence has been presented that the planes shown have anything to do with HAARP, or that their contrails are anything other than water vapour.



Exactly - the use of cloud seeding and the idea of using weather modification as a weapon is public knowledge, so what's the conspiracy exactly? (Occam's razor strikes again... ) It's like saying the US government has a conspiracy to have nuclear weapons - it's public knowledge that they do, the fundamental principles the technology is based on is public knowledge, you may agree or not with possessing a nuclear arsenal, but it's not a conspiracy. (The destructive potential of known nuclear arsenals is greater than that of weather modification, by the way) Likewise, there are perfectly normal motives for cloud seeding, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out military applications for weather modification or ionosphere modification.

The argument seems to be: The government is involved, therefore it's evil, and it has to involve vsome secret alien conspiracy. .

Does your name stand for ProBoCall?.. just thought it was striking how well you debunk something so swiftly without taking one look at the video.. i'd wager one thousand dollars that you didnt look.
In the video there's many examples of why planes are emitting something other than water vapor.. It's astounding how people keep saying that it's water vapor when, if you actually watch the video, you'll see that there are planes emitting something different. The fact that they are emitting something different is not in question here, I've seen the proof with my own eyes, can we move on the the actual issue?.
Water vapor is out of the question at this point..
WHY they are doing it is the question..
Weather control?.. mm, possibly, and likely..
but with what? is it safe?.. do they have our best interests in mind?
did they have your best interests in mind when they went to war in Iraq?
do they ever have OUR best interests in mind?

whatever is going on, it's global, and not spoken about enough for something that is not entirely 'SECRET'..

How do you know?

And what?

Okay, in one part there are two planes flying through the sky at the same time... one of the contrails is clearly water vapor, it dissipates quickly, and doesn't stick.. but the other plane, which doesn't appear to be a commercial plane, deposits these huge contrails, and it doesn't dissipate at all.. do you know the difference? Which one is not like the other?
Simon saayys.. figure it out.