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14 Oct 2008, 11:59 pm

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Religion is static

This is blatantly historically inaccurate.

I agree that it is historically innacurate, it seems to be a generalization of all religion from a particular denomination or from a few, there are different approaches within different denominations, which is part of the changing in history, most religions seem to accept heliocentrism now, some accept evolution while others don't, the Catholic Church which according to historic accounts had problems with Science, it is a totally different thing now, to say some examples.

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yeah. obstinate would be much more accurate.

And that goes in every direction.


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15 Oct 2008, 12:02 am

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Science, on the other hand never has to threaten anybody.

How about the atomic bombs in WWII and the Holocaust? ;)


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15 Oct 2008, 12:17 am

greenblue wrote:
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Science, on the other hand never has to threaten anybody.

How about the atomic bombs in WWII and the Holocaust? ;)


In other words, Hitler and Truman were scientists?



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15 Oct 2008, 12:19 am

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In other words, Hitler and Truman were scientists?

No, but science helped ;)


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15 Oct 2008, 12:23 am

greenblue wrote:
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In other words, Hitler and Truman were scientists?

No, but science helped ;)


So did the atmosphere and the Earth which some attribute to God.



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15 Oct 2008, 1:04 am

Who are you to judge God as being indifferent when you yourselves are apathetic. Fools carry no weight in math or science.
Judge yourselves first and see where that leads you.


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15 Oct 2008, 1:15 am

Magnus wrote:
Who are you to judge God as being indifferent when you yourselves are apathetic. Fools carry no weight in math or science.
Judge yourselves first and see where that leads you.


Well, hey, I thought God took an interest. Where do you get off telling me I'm apathetic. If the old SOB up there doesn't give a diddley squat enough to visit once in a while and shake a few hands and maybe take me out to lunch how do I know he's even there? Because you google your eyes and say so? What am I? Stupid or something?



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15 Oct 2008, 1:52 am

If you are expecting God to show up like Santa then go to Disneyland or hide behind your mama's legs. Life is more complex then that.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aGTNS13SDU[/youtube]


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15 Oct 2008, 1:59 am

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Do you ever doubt your belief that there is no God and explore the possibility that you could be wrong?

Um, I haven't gotten there. What I mean by that is, looking at the evidence, nothing points to a creator or God, so I can't explore that possibility or even consider it, even if I tried to somehow without evidence how could I possibly learn anything about this God? By getting a religion which would lead me to further irrationality and questions? You can't explore something that isn't even proven to exist, it'd be as useful as trying to find answers about the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Invisible Octopus. And generally from what I can tell the God belief seems to be something created from the human imagination and I'm not going to worship something I believe to be fiction.



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15 Oct 2008, 2:14 am

You are 15? I am impressed. Keep asking questions and don't be afraid to answer the hard ones. When you get old as you will see from the posts,
dogma sets in like an eclipse which hinders further knowledge. Don't be a bubble head, but blow the veil off for yourself and see a bigger reality.


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15 Oct 2008, 2:19 am

I am older than any of you and am smart enough to see baloney either in a sandwich or offered as something to worship. It's still baloney.



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15 Oct 2008, 3:00 am

Dude, you can't even spell the word.



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15 Oct 2008, 3:24 am

Check http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/baloney and watch your language.

Of course, it may unsettle you a bit but I doubt if reason will prevail.



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15 Oct 2008, 3:41 am

You doubt if reason will prevail over popular opinion?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bologney

Congratulations!

Have you been living in a cave?

http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/cave.htm


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15 Oct 2008, 3:50 am

Some of us - can an aspie ever really refer to an us that's plural? - have spent our lives with a profound sense of a place in a universe guided by some form of higher power.

In my own case, an ongoing dialogue with both the universe and a god both immanent and transcendent guided a life based on enquiry, research and practice. The "my body is/in the crucible of creation" sort of approach.

That faith buoyed me through half a century of study before eventually failing to survive an encounter with Occam's razor somewhere in one of the years that have followed achievement of an MBA and preceded my aspergers diagnosis. It's all fairly recent, and all still a little raw.



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15 Oct 2008, 4:01 am

Magnus wrote:
You are 15? I am impressed. Keep asking questions and don't be afraid to answer the hard ones. When you get old as you will see from the posts,
dogma sets in like an eclipse which hinders further knowledge. Don't be a bubble head, but blow the veil off for yourself and see a bigger reality.

Plenty of the hard ones aren't answerable, though there is an answer, you of course either need to make an educated guess or just say "I don't know". The answers to "Is there a God?", depending on what the definition of 'God' usually tend to be "Yes" or "No". Considering no evidence points towards a God, and there's actually actually evidence weighing against many Gods that are used by different religions, my educated answer ends up being "Probably not" or "No". I don't see how it is physically possible for there to be a random Intelligence that created everything, that to me makes absolutely no sense. Though we don't know the actual answer of what started the Universe, we can rule that explanation as false unless by extremely random chance we are suddenly presented proof or evidence of such.

I'm plenty surprised honestly at those who feel it takes a larger amount of faith to disbelieve in God than it does to believe. That's exactly like saying it takes more faith to not believe in the Invisible Octopus than to believe, God and the Invisible Octopus have the same amount of evidence of existing, and both are just as silly.