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30 Dec 2008, 4:37 pm

I really miss the good old days,particularly medieval spain and Sicily when we Jews and Muslims worked together with Christians to make the reneissance, in order for something like this to happen again we jews must disband Israel.



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30 Dec 2008, 5:03 pm

I also have done some research and had long discussions about the topic of Israel reccently and found many disturbing things (yes I wish I had steered clear) including that Mossad helped cause division among the Palestinians by aiding Hamas in the 80s against the PLO, now that Hamas has became the ruling party they use them as the straw man that justifies their opression and attacks on Gaza. The Israeli government feel that the Palestinains are nothing but bugs that need to be crushed.

Zionism is the same sort of nonsense supremacist ideology as Nazism. It's just one big roundabout of hate and delusion.

Why can't we just get along? The way race and religion has been used as propaganda and justification for colonialism and atrocities for centuries is disgusting. It is also very disturbing to see the way in which governments and entire peoples are manipulated to hate each other to satisfy the greed and power lust of a select few. Look at the amount of meddling the 'Free World' has carried out in reccent history, they helped both the Nazis and the Zionists on their way as well as the Taliban and our old friend Saddam and have overseen the complete ruination of Africa and Latin America. Terrorism begins at home, if we viewed what our own nations have done through different eyes we would learn this. If only.

Thanks to our corrupt governments, greedy corporations and 'influencial' wealthy individuals we are led down a path of war, pain and destruction again and again in the name of profits. The whole of human society as we know it is all built on lies.

This is why I dispair for the human race and hope we are near the end of our time, we are despicable creatures. :roll:


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30 Dec 2008, 5:14 pm

Zionism is giving us Jews a bad name, Like the Spanish Inquisition gave Catholics a bad name, and the Taliban gave the Muslims a bad name



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30 Dec 2008, 6:53 pm

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I really miss the good old days,particularly medieval spain and Sicily when we Jews and Muslims worked together with Christians to make the reneissance, in order for something like this to happen again we jews must disband Israel.


Jews and Muslims may have gotten along at one point but the Christians are the ones that have caused the most persecution towards Jews and Muslims. In fact, the Christian system (not every single christian person however) has caused more violence probably than the IDF, Mossad, Hamas, and PLO combined. Today more and more christians are waking up and seeing how the church has screwed them. They see that a good person may get into heaven regardless of belief. They see that men and women truly should be equal. They see that homosexuals can love each other and not be "sinners against god" just because of their preference. However, there are still many christians (and jews and muslims) who want to take their texts literally instead of adapting to modern times.


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30 Dec 2008, 10:02 pm

(CNN) -- An Israeli patrol boat struck a boat carrying medical volunteers and supplies to Gaza early Tuesday as it attempted to intercept the vessel in the Mediterranean Sea, witnesses and Israeli officials said.

CNN correspondent Karl Penhaul was aboard the 60-foot pleasure boat Dignity when the contact occurred. When the boat later docked in the Lebanese port city of Tyre, severe damage was visible to the forward port side of the boat, and the front left window and part of the roof had collapsed. It was flying the flag of Gibraltar.

The Dignity was carrying crew and 16 passengers -- physicians from Britain, Germany and Cyprus and human rights activists from the Free Gaza Solidarity Movement -- who were trying to reach Gaza through an Israeli blockade of the territory.

Also on board was former U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney.

Penhaul said an Israeli patrol boat shined its spotlight on the Dignity, and then it and another patrol boat shadowed the Dignity for about a half hour before the collision.

One patrol boat "very severely rammed" the Dignity, Penhaul said.

The captain of the Dignity told Penhaul he received no warning. Only after the collision did the Israelis come on the radio to say they struck the boat because they believed it was involved in terrorist activities, the captain said.

But Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor denied that and said the patrol boat had warned the vessel not to proceed to Gaza because it is a closed military area.

Palmor said there was no response to the radio message, and the vessel then tried to out-maneuver the Israeli patrol boat, leading to the collision.

The captain and crew said their vessel was struck intentionally, Penhaul said, but Palmor called those allegations "absurd."

"There is no intention on the part of the Israeli navy to ram anybody," Palmor said.

"I would call it ramming. Let's just call it as it is," McKinney said after the boat docked in Lebanon. "Our boat was rammed three times, twice in the front and one on the side.

"Our mission was a peaceful mission to deliver medical supplies and our mission was thwarted by the Israelis -- the aggressiveness of the Israeli military," she said.

The incident occurred in international waters about 90 miles off Gaza. Israel controls the waters off Gaza's coast and routinely blocks ships from coming into the Palestinian territory as part of an ongoing blockade that also applies to the Israel-Gaza border. Human rights groups have expressed concern about the blockade on Gaza, which has restricted the delivery of emergency aid and fuel supplies.

Tuesday's collision was so severe, Penhaul said, that the passengers were ordered to put on their life vests and be ready to get in lifeboats. The Dignity began taking on water, but the crew managed to pump it out of the hull long enough for the boat to reach shore.

"It could have ended with people drowning if they hit us more square on," Dignity's captain, Denis Healey, said. "It could have gone down in minutes."

Palmor said the vessel refused assistance after the incident.

The boat was carrying boxes of relief supplies, volunteers and journalists to Gaza, the Palestinian territory that has been subject to an intense Israeli bombing campaign since Saturday.

Israel Tuesday lambasted McKinney -- the Green Party's 2008 candidate for the U.S. presidency and a former Democratic congresswoman from Georgia -- for taking part in the maritime mission.

In a written statement, the Consulate General of Israel to the Southeast, based in Atlanta, Georgia, said McKinney "has taken it upon herself to commit an act of provocation," endangering herself and the crew.

"We regret that during this time of crisis, while Israel is battling with the terrorist organization of Hamas and defending its citizens, that we are forced to deal with Ms. McKinney's irresponsible behavior," the statement read.

The trip was the Free Gaza Solidarity Movement's sixth in as many months.

Israel launched airstrikes against Gaza on Saturday in what Defense Minister Ehud Barak called an "all-out war" against the Palestinian militant group Hamas, which has ruled the territory since 2007. The Israeli military says its goal is to stop a recent barrage of rocket fire from Gaza into southern Israel.

The Palestinian death toll has topped 375, most of them Hamas militants, Palestinian medical sources said Tuesday. At least 60 civilians have been killed in Gaza, U.N. officials said.
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Hamas has continued to fire rockets at southern Israeli towns since the airstrikes began, Israel says. Six Israelis have been killed -- five of them civilians.

Hamas has vowed to defend Gaza in the face of what it calls continued Israeli aggression. Each side blames the other for violating an Egyptian-brokered cease-fire, which formally expired December 19, but had been weakening for months.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/ ... index.html


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31 Dec 2008, 6:21 pm

Jews who are Zionists do not deserve to be Jewish, because Muslims had been heroes to us and saved us from such attacks as the Spanish Inquisition before the advent of Zionism. if it were not for the Muslims heroics and Tolerence for us Jews, many of our identities will be taken away. Zionists deserve their jewish Identities to be Taken away by the Spanish inquisition and Fanatics such as Pierre d'Aubusson (Grand Master of the Knights of St John) and St Vincete Ferrer.



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31 Dec 2008, 7:12 pm

f*****g Zionists, hope they get what they deserve those bastards.



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31 Dec 2008, 8:20 pm

Zionism ends = peace with jews and Muslims and all other faiths

Anti semitism is not a big issue anymore
La Conviencia (Jews Christians, Muslims and other faiths living together like during the time of Al Andalus)

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Zionism Continues = Jews and muslim relationship is severed =


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02 Jan 2009, 3:52 pm

I forgot to tell, most of my family members are Zionist, i am actually the sole Anti-Zionist jew in my family, so i am the only member of my family who does not believe in this zionist rubbish.



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02 Jan 2009, 4:02 pm

The kind of people who are zionist are bigots like Michael Savage



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02 Jan 2009, 5:54 pm

I think Israel is the rightful homeland of the Jews. Not only does the Bible say this (loud and clear), but even predicts a dispersion of the Jewish people from the land -- AND a regathering of the Jews by God back to the land. (I assume no one will argue against that point, as it's pretty well known.) If you believe the Bible, AKA if you are Christian or Jewish (religiously), than it is clear that modern Israel (and much land around it as well) belongs to the Jews.

I'm a Christian AND a Jew, by the way, so good luck convincing me that Israel is not Jewish. ;)

Edit: I forgot to add that, because the Bible says the Jews will not be removed from their land after their regathering into it, I therefore consider talk of possibility of the Jews giving up modern Israel a moot point, as man cannot remove those whom God is actively keeping there.


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02 Jan 2009, 7:01 pm

And all of Yorkshire belongs to me because I have quite a old book that says it does.

/bombs the Hull coast and displaces the people of Leeds.



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02 Jan 2009, 8:19 pm

Laconvivencia wrote:
I forgot to tell, most of my family members are Zionist, i am actually the sole Anti-Zionist jew in my family, so i am the only member of my family who does not believe in this zionist rubbish.


Welcome to the club.


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03 Jan 2009, 5:20 am

Ah the old god's chosen people/it says so in this old book that has been rewritten a million times to suit whoever wants to use it to control the masses. Forget how that land was reclaimed and that this method was forbidden by the Jew's own religious texts. :roll:

So a land can rightfully belong to who was there first/before. I eagerly await the Americans handing back the U.S to the indigenous peoples.

Israel is nothing but a racist state, funny that all other nations are supposed to be all 'multi-cultural' but the Jews are allowed to have their own nation where only jews are welcome, if you are anything else you only get to be a slave/third class citizen.

If there was a God he/it would have wiped the human race of the planet by now, especially the Israelis/Zionists who are consumed by GREED.

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03 Jan 2009, 11:02 am

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I maybe a jew but i am not Zionist for these 3 reasons
1. The land we took for Israel is Palestine, this was a muslim state, because we took the land from them,


There was antisemitism long before al Islam. The Holy Land (so-called) has been the site of wars and struggles for nearly three thousand years. I don't think the Palastinians have that good a claim. It was owned by the Turks for hundreds of years who sold portions of it to Zionists. The population of the land was very sparse until Jewish agronomists made it bloom. Then many more people came to live and work there, mostly from the surrounding lands. Palestinians exist, because Jews made the land productive.

As to your point, do you think Americans ought to give it all back to the Indians? I don't. Do you think American Indians should strap on explosives to get even with the White Eyes?

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03 Jan 2009, 1:43 pm

Ragtime wrote:
I think Israel is the rightful homeland of the Jews. Not only does the Bible say this (loud and clear), but even predicts a dispersion of the Jewish people from the land -- AND a regathering of the Jews by God back to the land. (I assume no one will argue against that point, as it's pretty well known.) If you believe the Bible, AKA if you are Christian or Jewish (religiously), than it is clear that modern Israel (and much land around it as well) belongs to the Jews.

I'm a Christian AND a Jew, by the way, so good luck convincing me that Israel is not Jewish. ;)

Edit: I forgot to add that, because the Bible says the Jews will not be removed from their land after their regathering into it, I therefore consider talk of possibility of the Jews giving up modern Israel a moot point, as man cannot remove those whom God is actively keeping there.


Oh, just shut up , Bible-babbler. Your bible also says that Jews must take the half of Lebanon, Jordan, parts of Syria ...
If your Bible means that Israel has the right to take the half of my land then the hell with your Bible ,I won't respect it.
I am atheist myself but I am aware that we are the descendants of Canaanites, we won't obey to the rules of a fairy-tale book created by an ancient anti-Canaan cult .

Btw, you as Christian, shouldn't you believe that Jews will go to hell too? Hypocrisy as best.



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