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23 Jan 2009, 11:44 am

Whether whites are poor or hard done to is irrelevant because I don't recall people who are white claiming that "the white man keeps them down". The base fallacy that blacks cannot succeed because they are black is however, roundly disproved. They quite obviously can. At various points most races and groups will suffer a disadvantage because of colour or creed. Most races also overcome that. Black Americans have succeeded in overcoming that problem. This cannot be debated, because it is self-evident. It matters not where the man grew up, or who he knew, because the basic complaint is that the white man keeps the black man from success.


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23 Jan 2009, 3:15 pm

To who started this awefully pointless thread: You don't even know what "racist" means. All it means is that you love your race nothing more nothing less. It doesn't have to mean you hate other races just for being different.
Yes, Africa has black presidents. It's been a black continent for as long as there have been people. There is no reason for it to change. It's liberal scum like you who don't understand this, and f**k up peoples cultures because they aren't "diversified" enough for your liking. They weren't meant to intervene, all it does is dissolve it's identity/originality, and create conflict between the people.



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23 Jan 2009, 3:40 pm

v0lume wrote:
To who started this awefully pointless thread: You don't even know what "racist" means. All it means is that you love your race nothing more nothing less. It doesn't have to mean you hate other races just for being different.


That's the opposite of the traditional definition of the term "racist" or "racism". Racism traditionally follows the same pattern as sexism (the belief that other genders are inferior).

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?gwp=13&s=racism


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23 Jan 2009, 3:51 pm

Nice try, v0lume, but you don't get to rewrite the dictionary to justify racist beliefs.

Random House Unabridged Dictionary wrote:
racism (rey-siz-uh m) noun:
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Origin: 1865–70; < F racisme.


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23 Jan 2009, 4:33 pm

It's not necessarily racist to vote for (or against) someone because of their race. If you are a member of the same race, then that candidate is more likely to represent your own views. There is a difference between a preference and a racist. Most people seek partners of their own race, that's not racist, that's preference. Is it also racist to have black people running the NAACP? No, those are the people that know the most about black issues.



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23 Jan 2009, 5:34 pm

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Since you seem hell bent on not allowing any kind of even semblance of a possibility of good having come from this, as I said before, grind away!


That is not so, I am saying that to expect the election of Obama to suddenly fill the underclass with such hope they suddenly throw of the shackles that have been binding them is naive at best, unless comprehensive assistance is given right now to utilize and guide this hope, then it will become a false hope.


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23 Jan 2009, 5:39 pm

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While you are correct that blacks and hispanics are disproportionately poor, this in no way detracts from the poverty of the larger numbers of white Americans, who are by and large as far as I can tell at best completely off the class radar for most people and at worst are merely a subject of derision. It is not fair to concern oneself with the poor only if they are of the correct color.


I couldn't agree more, this discussion started with Fnord suggesting that blacks now had no excuse to blame their race for disadvantage; so that is what I was debating. As I said earlier it is not so much a race issue as a class issue and I believe that blacks to a point have mistaken it as a race issue


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23 Jan 2009, 5:48 pm

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Nice try, v0lume, but you don't get to rewrite the dictionary to justify racist beliefs.

Well, if your so right then what word should I use for my description of what it means to me?

I'm not trying to justify anything, I don't believe there is a superior race, nor do I believe a black person should be hated just for being black. It's what that person does that can cause me to dislike them. I just love my race, and I will never have children from my genes because of that. Nor would I be happy about something that would cause the identity of my people or eastern lands to become unstable.



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23 Jan 2009, 7:17 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
ike wrote:
Since you seem hell bent on not allowing any kind of even semblance of a possibility of good having come from this, as I said before, grind away!


That is not so, I am saying that to expect the election of Obama to suddenly fill the underclass with such hope they suddenly throw of the shackles that have been binding them is naive at best, unless comprehensive assistance is given right now to utilize and guide this hope, then it will become a false hope.


Do you know the meaning of "hyperbole"?


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23 Jan 2009, 7:25 pm

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It's not necessarily racist to vote for (or against) someone because of their race. If you are a member of the same race, then that candidate is more likely to represent your own views. There is a difference between a preference and a racist. Most people seek partners of their own race, that's not racist, that's preference. Is it also racist to have black people running the NAACP? No, those are the people that know the most about black issues.


If you're voting for a politician who will influence the lives of all people in the region irrespective of their race, then yes, voting on the basis of their race because you expect them to be partial to you as a result of having similar interests due to racial cohesion, then yes, that's racist not just a preference. It's racist because instead of taking a look at the specific issues and deciding which you feel are most important to everyone and how the majority of people will be affected (positively or negatively by the candidate's actions, you've instead chosen to go with "issues of importance to my race are the only ones that matter, everyone else can kiss off". This is not comparable to heading the NAACP, which absolutely should be headed up by black people, because that organization serves the black community specifically. That's not true of political offices, particularly high political offices like the presidency - they affect everyone.


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23 Jan 2009, 7:27 pm

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DeaconBlues wrote:
Nice try, v0lume, but you don't get to rewrite the dictionary to justify racist beliefs.

Well, if your so right then what word should I use for my description of what it means to me?

I'm not trying to justify anything, I don't believe there is a superior race, nor do I believe a black person should be hated just for being black. It's what that person does that can cause me to dislike them. I just love my race, and I will never have children from my genes because of that. Nor would I be happy about something that would cause the identity of my people or eastern lands to become unstable.


I think the term you would be looking for is "ethnic pride".


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23 Jan 2009, 7:32 pm

ike wrote:
I think the term you would be looking for is "ethnic pride".

Thanks! I like that a lot 8)
Before all I was saying that if there was a single word to describe it, it would be racist.. But I shouldn't use "racist" because of the dictionary definition lol. Ethnic pride is much better and makes more sense.



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23 Jan 2009, 7:33 pm

v0lume it already is "unstable", sorry to break it to you. Ethic classification has long been debunked. You are a mongrel like everone else.



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23 Jan 2009, 7:47 pm

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23 Jan 2009, 10:30 pm

v0lume wrote:
ike wrote:
I think the term you would be looking for is "ethnic pride".

Thanks! I like that a lot 8)
Before all I was saying that if there was a single word to describe it, it would be racist.. But I shouldn't use "racist" because of the dictionary definition lol. Ethnic pride is much better and makes more sense.


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24 Jan 2009, 2:25 am

ike wrote:
So if you voted for McCain because he's white, then I can assume that you don't base your decisions on rational criteria and therefore whatever you're saying here can be automatically discounted as having any value because it's assumed to be ignorant.


This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. The ENTIRE election was about black people voting for "their" guy.

Oh but I do the same thing and I'm "ignorant".

The rest of you white people are either:

1. just plain dumb and don't realize you are being racially attacked. 90% of blacks DID NOT vote for mcain because hes WHITE.
THAT'S CALLED RACISM

2. are scared of black people

I don't get it but I'm sick of all the racism to white people, it's no wonder people join the KKK it's called self defense.

Also i sure as hell didnt vote for mccain or obama i dont like either one. I said that to make a point.