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23 Jan 2009, 6:03 pm

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Just as a person of science would default the "First cause" to be something that's defined by science


As defined by science, what is the First Cause?"



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24 Jan 2009, 6:39 am

Whatever cause happens to be first, if any cause does happen to be first. I guess.


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24 Jan 2009, 7:00 am

slowmutant wrote:
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Just as a person of science would default the "First cause" to be something that's defined by science


As defined by science, what is the First Cause?"


There are many theories to this, the most prominent generally involving the Big Bang, where interdimensional fiddlings spew out the bastard child that is our universe. My apologies for not being more specific, I fell out of my Astrophysics studies when I started my degree in Chemical Engineering and decided I wanted to have somewhat of a social life as well (damn me).

Since you seemed to fail to see the point of my posts, let me ask you this: How exactly did God make the universe?



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24 Jan 2009, 7:15 am

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Not really: The same kind of brains were confronted with the same kind of similar and unexplainable phenomena; so the result must be quite the same - therefore a;; religions have something in common.

But that doesn't really explain the cause with accuracy, the statement is very reduced to a point that it becomes very questionable and problematic, you are reducing this to merely biology, ignoring other factors that may play the must part to the cause of a given phenoema, such as social, cultural, political, environmental and historical factors.

I mean, biological factors can be the basis for anything, but such correlation seems a big stretch as the same argument could be related to anything, and that demands for corroboration from other factors to provide validity and credibility.


We have different religions because of this factors outside a mere biological explanation. It would be unlikely that the Germanic tribes would have Gods residing in volcanoes, thus in their original environment weren't volcanoes - and the influences via contacts via trade, conquest, etc.

But: The basic pattern remain similar.



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24 Jan 2009, 8:10 am

DNForrest wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
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Just as a person of science would default the "First cause" to be something that's defined by science


As defined by science, what is the First Cause?"


There are many theories to this, the most prominent generally involving the Big Bang, where interdimensional fiddlings spew out the bastard child that is our universe. My apologies for not being more specific, I fell out of my Astrophysics studies when I started my degree in Chemical Engineering and decided I wanted to have somewhat of a social life as well (damn me).

Since you seemed to fail to see the point of my posts, let me ask you this: How exactly did God make the universe?


He spoke it into existence.



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24 Jan 2009, 9:33 am

slowmutant wrote:
DNForrest wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
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Just as a person of science would default the "First cause" to be something that's defined by science


As defined by science, what is the First Cause?"


There are many theories to this, the most prominent generally involving the Big Bang, where interdimensional fiddlings spew out the bastard child that is our universe. My apologies for not being more specific, I fell out of my Astrophysics studies when I started my degree in Chemical Engineering and decided I wanted to have somewhat of a social life as well (damn me).

Since you seemed to fail to see the point of my posts, let me ask you this: How exactly did God make the universe?


He spoke it into existence.


Speaking is a form of communication. To whom did He speak?



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24 Jan 2009, 9:36 am

Sand wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
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slowmutant wrote:
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Just as a person of science would default the "First cause" to be something that's defined by science


As defined by science, what is the First Cause?"


There are many theories to this, the most prominent generally involving the Big Bang, where interdimensional fiddlings spew out the bastard child that is our universe. My apologies for not being more specific, I fell out of my Astrophysics studies when I started my degree in Chemical Engineering and decided I wanted to have somewhat of a social life as well (damn me).

Since you seemed to fail to see the point of my posts, let me ask you this: How exactly did God make the universe?


He spoke it into existence.


Speaking is a form of communication. To whom did He speak?


No one in particular, as far as I can tell.



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24 Jan 2009, 10:53 am

slowmutant wrote:
Sand wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
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slowmutant wrote:
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Just as a person of science would default the "First cause" to be something that's defined by science


As defined by science, what is the First Cause?"


There are many theories to this, the most prominent generally involving the Big Bang, where interdimensional fiddlings spew out the bastard child that is our universe. My apologies for not being more specific, I fell out of my Astrophysics studies when I started my degree in Chemical Engineering and decided I wanted to have somewhat of a social life as well (damn me).

Since you seemed to fail to see the point of my posts, let me ask you this: How exactly did God make the universe?


He spoke it into existence.


Speaking is a form of communication. To whom did He speak?


No one in particular, as far as I can tell.


That's rather odd, don't you think? I suspect God had found Aladdin's lamp and was speaking to a genii. As long as we're willing to believe in miraculous powers, a conversation requires two beings. (Unless God is schizophrenic. Hmm...If he is the father, the son and the holy ghost there is that possibility.) Or perhaps He was speaking into a cell phone to a civilization of super beings who created universes as a matter of course. He was the local engineer. I'm just trying to make sense of the event.



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24 Jan 2009, 12:56 pm

@Zorp,

I think we need to change our consciousness in order to make some sort of contact with God.
Humans are not the center of the universe and we are not the most interelligent forms of life in the universe. We can change our consciousness through meditation, near death experiences, and psychedelics. That's all I can suggest right now.



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24 Jan 2009, 1:08 pm

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@Zorp,

I think we need to change our consciousness in order to make some sort of contact with God.
Humans are not the center of the universe and we are not the most interelligent forms of life in the universe. We can change our consciousness through meditation, near death experiences, and psychedelics. That's all I can suggest right now.


I take it from your comment you are in contact with other life forms more intelligent than humans. Events, current and historical, make it quite obvious that humans must be quite far down the list as far as intellect goes so your experience is obviously valid. I am curious as to how you contact these superior beings. The simplest way would be through a cell phone so if you could pass on the number I would be grateful to be able to make contact. It would be a relief to have an intelligent conversation. Of course if that isn't a typo and these beings are actually interelligent I'm not sure what I could say to them.



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24 Jan 2009, 1:17 pm

Magnus wrote:
I think we need to change our consciousness in order to make some sort of contact with God.


When I would to start to suggest that I had contact with god, I hope anyone will lookup the Mental Health act and will organize some professional help.

Magnus wrote:
Humans are not the center of the universe and we are not the most interelligent forms of life in the universe.


We are not the centre, because the universe has no centre; Till now, no other more intelligent form of live appeared, so the working hypothesis, that we are the most intelligent still serves well - untill further notice.



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24 Jan 2009, 1:32 pm

"Center of the universe" is a figure of speech Einstein.

Sand, you are impossible to talk to. How are more intelligent life forms supposed to contact you if I can't even talk to you? Go stick your cell phone up your ass like it's an alien probe. Maybe you'll get beamed up and see the light.



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24 Jan 2009, 1:44 pm

Magnus wrote:
"Center of the universe" is a figure of speech Einstein.

Sand, you are impossible to talk to. How are more intelligent life forms supposed to contact you if I can't even talk to you? Go stick your cell phone up your ass like it's an alien probe. Maybe you'll get beamed up and see the light.


Jolly good! :lol:



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24 Jan 2009, 1:53 pm

Magnus wrote:
@Zorp,

I think we need to change our consciousness in order to make some sort of contact with God.
Humans are not the center of the universe and we are not the most interelligent forms of life in the universe. We can change our consciousness through meditation, near death experiences, and psychedelics. That's all I can suggest right now.


We can also calmly rethink positions that we come to know are mistaken. We do not need a mystic flash to correct errors.

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ruveyn wrote:
Magnus wrote:
@Zorp,

I think we need to change our consciousness in order to make some sort of contact with God.
Humans are not the center of the universe and we are not the most interelligent forms of life in the universe. We can change our consciousness through meditation, near death experiences, and psychedelics. That's all I can suggest right now.


We can also calmly rethink positions that we come to know are mistaken. We do not need a mystic flash to correct errors.

ruveyn


Maybe we do.



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24 Jan 2009, 2:00 pm

There are many people who receive signs and get those flashes of insight and their animal senses make them rationalize it all away.

If we want to know about spiritual mysteries and God and such, we have to change our consciousness in the same way an animal needs to change its instinctive behavior to connect with a human.