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06 Feb 2009, 12:17 pm

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If the atheists are right, why does life matter at all? What's the point of anything if we're destined to be nothing more than maggot food?

well, the argument "what's the point if God doesn't exist?" is problematic, to make a valid point regarding the existence of God or an afterlife, because that does not seem to sustain a logical value rather, appeal to emotion. Wether we find hope on a set of belief system, does not make it true, the objective truth, whatever that is, is irrelevant to our emotions or hopes.


What are your emotions, hopes?



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06 Feb 2009, 12:21 pm

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I've never been shot up with morphine, but I have experienced bipolar manic phases. I can tell the difference between mere giddiness and something genuine more profound. I've had plenty of motive & opportunity to ponder the difference.

Oh, why can't I ever convince you? :(


Because we each have our personal delusions.


Or our own experiences.

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personal delusions AND our own experiences ;)


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06 Feb 2009, 12:21 pm

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If the atheists are right, why does life matter at all? What's the point of anything if we're destined to be nothing more than maggot food?

well, the argument "what's the point if God doesn't exist?" is problematic, to make a valid point regarding the existence of God or an afterlife, because that does not seem to sustain a logical value rather, appeal to emotion. Wether we find hope on a set of belief system, does not make it true, the objective truth, whatever that is, is irrelevant to our emotions or hopes.


But more to the point how does God give meaning to life more than whatever meaning we discover for ourselves? Assuming the existence of God His mind is unavailable to us so I wonder what the desires and motivations of an alien mind gives to human life. If humans were created by some interstellar creature why is that comforting? I would find that chilling. Evolution works fine for me.



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06 Feb 2009, 12:27 pm

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If humans were created by some interstellar creature why is that comforting? I would find that chilling. Evolution works fine for me.


Whatever works for you. Diff'rent strokes and all that ...



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06 Feb 2009, 12:51 pm

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What are your emotions, hopes?

As I stated, that is irrelevant to the objective truth, reality is the way it is, regardless how we feel about it.


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06 Feb 2009, 12:53 pm

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What are your emotions, hopes?

As I stated, that is irrelevant to the objective truth, the universe is the way it is, regardless how we feel about it.


Are you sure about that?



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06 Feb 2009, 1:44 pm

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Are you sure about that?

well, I'm certain that we all would be gods, if the universe, time and reality would shape according to our wishes, but, it isn't like that.

Anyway, I have seen others giving same propositions relating to God and the afterlife, that may explain how positive their lives can get and how that help them to cope with problems and even live happier, but a part from a possible psychological improvement, it has no relation at all to the metaphysical objective truth, rather illustrating people's own subjective truth, and very.

Besides, these types of propositions in a PPR type discussion can be considered to be appeal to emotion, which is a fallacy when trying to make a point about an idea or hypothesis.


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06 Feb 2009, 2:42 pm

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Are you sure about that?

well, I'm certain that we all would be gods, if the universe, time and reality would shape according to our wishes, but, it isn't like that.

Anyway, I have seen others giving same propositions relating to God and the afterlife, that may explain how positive their lives can get and how that help them to cope with problems and even live happier, but a part from a possible psychological improvement, it has no relation at all to the metaphysical objective truth, rather illustrating people's own subjective truth, and very.

Besides, these types of propositions in a PPR type discussion can be considered to be appeal to emotion, which is a fallacy when trying to make a point about an idea or hypothesis.


Emotion is a fallacy?



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06 Feb 2009, 3:18 pm

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Emotion is a fallacy?


No. Emotion is not cognition. It is like saying sneezing is a fallacy.

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06 Feb 2009, 11:02 pm

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Emotion is a fallacy?


No. Emotion is not cognition. It is like saying sneezing is a fallacy.

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Emotion and cognition are pretty intertwined.



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07 Feb 2009, 8:15 am

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Emotion is a fallacy?


No. Emotion is not cognition. It is like saying sneezing is a fallacy.

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Emotion and cognition are pretty intertwined.


Sneezing and cognition are also intertwined. When you sneeze your eyes close which makes seeing rather difficult.

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07 Feb 2009, 8:21 am

ruveyn wrote:
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Emotion is a fallacy?


No. Emotion is not cognition. It is like saying sneezing is a fallacy.

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Emotion and cognition are pretty intertwined.


Sneezing and cognition are also intertwined. When you sneeze your eyes close which makes seeing rather difficult.

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Sneezing is an involuntary spasm.



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07 Feb 2009, 9:16 am

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Sneezing is an involuntary spasm.


Emotion is involuntary also.

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07 Feb 2009, 9:30 am

ruveyn wrote:
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Sneezing is an involuntary spasm.


Emotion is involuntary also.

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D'oh! >_<