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14 Feb 2009, 1:42 pm

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Fnord: Just so you know, Atlantis is NO LONGER a "lost city" because it has been FOUND. Where you say? On the Greek Island of Thera(AKA Santorini). Yep, right smack in the Easter mediterranean. Which in fact is almost exactly where plato described it.
900 years before plato this island was blown apart by a stupendous volcanic eruption and in turns out that whole streets with houses have been found buried in a thick layer of ash.

Yeah, I saw the PBS special. Wiped out most of the cities on the north shore of Crete, if I remember right. Some archeologists believe that Santorini is the remains of Atlantis. Short of finding a pierside sign that says, "Καλώς ήρθατε στην Ατλαντίδα!" ("Welcome to Atlantis!") somewhere in the debris, I remain skeptical, but the premise itself was worth a few short stories for my creative writing class.

One story was about a woman - a Soldier/Scientist - who was just barely escaped the cataclysm and settled down on an island in the north Atlantic ocean. Her named was Boadicea, and she established the Irish-Celtic culture there. I know, it's anachronistic, but it earned me an 'A'.

Other than providing inspiration for fiction or tenure for archeology professors, the Atlantis myth is more of a speculative curiousity than anything else.
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The pillars of Hercules are ALSO in the eastern mediterranean and this does NOT refer to the rock of Gibraltar. But hey, you'll pick and chose what you want to believe and not to believe because you to skepticism to such an extreme that you dismiss anything thats not in your worldview...NO MATTER How much supporting evidence. Its fashionable these days to be excessively cyncial, that is-IRRATIONALLY cynical and disregarding of physical evidence. The once mythical city of Ubar was finally found by archaelogists using space imaging in the mid 1990s and NO SUCH SIGN was found saying Welcome to Ubar..... :?
Continents CANNOT sink because of the isosatic equilibrium among tectonic plates(which are in fact huge slabs of granite), but volcanic islands certainly CAN and DO(like Krakatoa). And Magnus: Atltantis has nothing to do with Aliens and the NWO order nor did they possess technology ANYWHERE close to that of modern times.



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14 Feb 2009, 1:51 pm

"Fashionably cynical"

:lol:

Haliphron, I never said Atlantis had anything to do with aliens or the NWO.
???
Where did you get that from?


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14 Feb 2009, 9:05 pm

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For that matter, this discussion has veered afield into the Atlantis myth, and a misreading of Plato's work on the subject. (For the record, Plato wrote of Atlantis as being a mysterious island kingdom located out in the Great Sea, later called the Atlantic in its honor, which sank beneath the waves. Many historians believe his tales were loosely based on what was then seen as the great wealth of the Minoan civilization, which was destroyed when the volcano at Thera exploded,

The evidence no longer indicates that the explosion of Thera immediately destroyed the Minoan civilization, although it may have precipitated its decline.
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sending a massive tidal wave through the Mediterranean basin; the Minoans, whose capital was on the island of Minos,

Ummm. Minos was actually the mythical king, not the island.


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14 Feb 2009, 9:14 pm

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Ummm. Minos was actually the mythical king, not the island.

Apologies - typing under the influence of children (one of whom is currently perseverating on sad babies, so she has to make a crying sound, which is quite distracting...).


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14 Feb 2009, 11:46 pm

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...

I think that of all the things said, there may be something. however, I don't think that there's something in everything that's been said.

Plato lived in a much simpler time, and there were no current standards of peer review, scientific method, etc. Herodotus (who came a few centuries later) was, in fact, called 'the father of lies' (which no doubt ticked Satan off...;) Exaggerations and sloppy measurements, folk tales, and travelers' descriptions would hardly be verifiable evidence (for example, the myth of unicorns likely came from a description of a rhinoceros).

I think the guy you're quoting is trying to stretch a single theory to cover way too many facts. More like Occam's rubber than Occam's razor...;)

I think it'd be kind of hard to keep a secret that long, with that many people knowing about it

"three may keep a secret if two of them are dead" - Benjamin Franklin



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14 Feb 2009, 11:48 pm

Well, there are a few logical problems with this post I want to address briefly.

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Also, Rick Schrieber claimed that the alien that works for the government has an IQ of around 1200 and hasn't aged in over 50 years.

An IQ of 1200 is pretty much meaningless. IQ is not a meaningful indicator even up to 200 (or possibly up to anything in terms of an actual measure of intelligence rather than a correlate). Saying something has an IQ of 1200 is no more meaningful than saying "that dude is mad smart". We might get the picture, but at least the latter drops the pretensions of precision.
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He said that the alien is an amazing man and seemed to admire him, yet if someone is so smart don't you think they would be wise enough to know that killing and stealing are wrong?

Intelligence alone cannot reveal "right" and "wrong." We should not expect a very different intelligence to come to similar conclusions on the value of life as we do. We often do not find that even other humans come to the same conclusions.


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15 Feb 2009, 12:05 am

Would it be wise for the populace to be enlightened of intelligent life from other planets? Could such renovation be cataclysmic to the status quo? That's my current question. I'm rather open-minded to such, for I think I would find much relief.

But as Phil Schneider claims, most of these aliens are malevolent, and want our resources.

Perhaps it's a quandry though and we shouldn't even grasp it until we are forced to deal with it??



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15 Feb 2009, 4:52 am

As for him saying that the alien working for the government has an IQ of 1200, it was a figure of speech. He did say that his IQ was way off the charts and gave that number of an example of just how "mad smart" he is.

I have a hard time believing that aliens want our resources for many reasons.

Phil Schneider said that they feed off of our adrenal glands and emotions. This sounds more like demon talk to me. Most of the cases of people who claim to witness aliens say that the aliens can pass through walls, illuminate, have supernatural powers, and yet sometimes leaves physical evidence behind such as scars, markings from the ufo landing, or a other witnesses claim to have seen the ufo as well.

It would suck to be abducted by aliens. My whole life would change because I wouldn't be able to keep something like that to myself.


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15 Feb 2009, 7:12 am

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As for him saying that the alien working for the government has an IQ of 1200, it was a figure of speech. He did say that his IQ was way off the charts and gave that number of an example of just how "mad smart" he is.

I have a hard time believing that aliens want our resources for many reasons.

Phil Schneider said that they feed off of our adrenal glands and emotions. This sounds more like demon talk to me. Most of the cases of people who claim to witness aliens say that the aliens can pass through walls, illuminate, have supernatural powers, and yet sometimes leaves physical evidence behind such as scars, markings from the ufo landing, or a other witnesses claim to have seen the ufo as well.

It would suck to be abducted by aliens. My whole life would change because I wouldn't be able to keep something like that to myself.


To speculate about the needs and desires of aliens with no encounter or valid information of an encounter is about as useful as speculating over whether Mickey Mouse wears long underwear. It's amusing but hardly worthwhile.



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15 Feb 2009, 12:15 pm

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As for him saying that the alien working for the government has an IQ of 1200, it was a figure of speech. He did say that his IQ was way off the charts and gave that number of an example of just how "mad smart" he is.

I have a hard time believing that aliens want our resources for many reasons.

Phil Schneider said that they feed off of our adrenal glands and emotions. This sounds more like demon talk to me. Most of the cases of people who claim to witness aliens say that the aliens can pass through walls, illuminate, have supernatural powers, and yet sometimes leaves physical evidence behind such as scars, markings from the ufo landing, or a other witnesses claim to have seen the ufo as well.

It would suck to be abducted by aliens. My whole life would change because I wouldn't be able to keep something like that to myself.


To speculate about the needs and desires of aliens with no encounter or valid information or an encounter is about as useful as speculating over whether Mickey Mouse wears long underwear. It's amusing but hardly worthwhile.



I second that. HOWEVER, aliens would SURELY need food, or some source of energy that can be transduced into chemical energy.



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15 Feb 2009, 12:18 pm

Haliphron wrote:
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As for him saying that the alien working for the government has an IQ of 1200, it was a figure of speech. He did say that his IQ was way off the charts and gave that number of an example of just how "mad smart" he is.

I have a hard time believing that aliens want our resources for many reasons.

Phil Schneider said that they feed off of our adrenal glands and emotions. This sounds more like demon talk to me. Most of the cases of people who claim to witness aliens say that the aliens can pass through walls, illuminate, have supernatural powers, and yet sometimes leaves physical evidence behind such as scars, markings from the ufo landing, or a other witnesses claim to have seen the ufo as well.

It would suck to be abducted by aliens. My whole life would change because I wouldn't be able to keep something like that to myself.


To speculate about the needs and desires of aliens with no encounter or valid information or an encounter is about as useful as speculating over whether Mickey Mouse wears long underwear. It's amusing but hardly worthwhile.



I second that. HOWEVER, aliens would SURELY need food, or some source of energy that can be transduced into chemical energy.


Unless they run on sunlight like plants or radioactivity like no life on Earth.



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15 Feb 2009, 12:29 pm

All the reports of alien abduction that I have read state that they travel through light, can pass through walls, shapeshift, and communicate by telepathy.

It doesn't sound like they adhere to our natural laws.


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15 Feb 2009, 12:42 pm

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All the reports of alien abduction that I have read state that they travel through light, can pass through walls, shapeshift, and communicate by telepathy.

It doesn't sound like they adhere to our natural laws.


Anything that can pass through walls would certainly fall through the floor. Unlikely.



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15 Feb 2009, 1:14 pm

They wouldn't fall to the floor if there was another floor on the other side of the wall.
Wouldn't they just step over? :lol:


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They wouldn't fall to the floor if there was another floor on the other side of the wall.
Wouldn't they just step over? :lol:


This business of walls being permeable but floors not has always disturbed me about ghost stories. I have difficulty seeing how floors physically differ from walls in penetrability and have a hunch that the center of the Earth is crowded with aliens and ghosts.



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15 Feb 2009, 1:44 pm

If it walks, it is subject to gravity.

If it can pass through walls, what keeps it from falling through the floor?

And why would anything come to Earth for our natural resources? The asteroids are rich in ores. The rings of Saturn are composed primarily of water ice and contaminants. Electricity comes free with sunlight. The only thing you can find on Earth that isn't just as abundant outside a gravity well is living organic matter (and its result, petroleum). Are these aliens flying across the galaxy in diesel-powered starships??

Let's face it, folks - if there are hyperintelligent alien beings with FTL capability, there's nothing that makes this little planet so special as to justify even coming here, much less kidnapping random less-than-credible individuals out in the back of beyond and sticking things up their butts...


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