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11 Mar 2009, 9:28 am

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If the bible was true, pi would be a round number: 3
1 Kings 7:23 -- He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim [diameter] and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it. [circumference]

Three is not round. It is an odd prime. Come to think of it all the primes are odd except two. So two is not only even, it is rather odd, as primes go.

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11 Mar 2009, 9:28 am

By the way, using 18 inches for the value of the cubit, the length of the measuring line was 45 feet, while the circumference was about 47 feet, being a difference about 2 feet of rope or 4.5% of circumference, while 95.5% of the rim was encompassed by the rope.

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11 Mar 2009, 9:47 am

It is quite interesting to me how people are willing to use the simplified math of a Phonetician metalworker in order to attempt to discredit the Bible. It really just shows how petty people can be when there is something they wish to gain.

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11 Mar 2009, 10:07 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

It is quite interesting to me how people are willing to use the simplified math of a Phonetician metalworker in order to attempt to discredit the Bible. It really just shows how petty people can be when there is something they wish to gain.

It is quite likely that the Phonetician metalworker did had not have a simplified mathematics for his time. It is very likely that he was aware at least about the common approximation of π ~ 22/7 (= 3.142857 ...). The uneducated author of the Book of Kings used a simplified mathematics.

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11 Mar 2009, 10:17 am

Dussel wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

It is quite interesting to me how people are willing to use the simplified math of a Phonetician metalworker in order to attempt to discredit the Bible. It really just shows how petty people can be when there is something they wish to gain.

It is quite likely that the Phonetician metalworker did had not have a simplified mathematics for his time. It is very likely that he was aware at least about the common approximation of π ~ 22/7 (= 3.142857 ...). The uneducated author of the Book of Kings used a simplified mathematics.

22/7ths was 300 years later and you don't to be a Greek geomatrician to craft things.

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11 Mar 2009, 10:22 am

Bible describing the first state of the land-ocean arrangement as there being one ocean, and hence one continent, as in Pangaea:

Genesis 1:9-10
[9] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
[10] And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

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11 Mar 2009, 10:23 am

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What if the Bible was true?

Then me, and others like me, are screwed :lol:

:lol:

I do not find the concept of some great thing in the sky waving its hands, tentacles or whatever (or maybe it has telekinesis) to 'create' trillions of creatures passable. It has to be a conscious being to be able to speak to mankind after all. It also created itself somehow (even though it doesn’t have any mind at this point :roll). I say ‘it’ because there is no proof it has either sex, or a sex at all. Could be asexual. There are a lot of mistakes in the bible, it contradicts itself. Judging by the fact it was written by different men to explain how the world started in a time filled with brutality and sexism, I think that explains itself. To me, the bible is a fairytale book. I could compare Scientology to Christianity, as they both revolve around a work of fiction. Sorry, this may sound harsh, but both books are under the ‘fiction’ heading in my local library, so there you have it.
I understand this may seem a little harsh, but some people here (not naming names, so don’t ask me) seem to take even light bible bashing hard and erm…atheism-bash pretty hard back. I have the utmost respect for members of all religions, particularly those that devote their lives to them (nuns, monks, priests, rabbi etc). I will soon be taking higher religious, moral and philosophical education in the hopes of learning and understanding more about all of these theories in action.

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11 Mar 2009, 10:27 am

monkees4va wrote:

To me, the bible is a fairytale book. I could compare Scientology to Christianity, as they both revolve around a work of fiction. Sorry, this may sound harsh, but both books are under the ‘fiction’ heading in my local library, so there you have it.

... human systems of categorization are only valid to the extent that they are true.

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11 Mar 2009, 10:42 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Bible. It really just shows how petty people can be when there is something they wish to gain.

You mean something like "You can't prove I'm wrong therefor I'm right."?

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Then me, and others like me, are screwed :lol:

:lol:

Well... see you downstairs.

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11 Mar 2009, 10:59 am

Silvervarg wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Bible. It really just shows how petty people can be when there is something they wish to gain.

You mean something like "You can't prove I'm wrong therefor I'm right."?

No, I mean that some people can be nitpickers, especially here.
Where would you get the falsification criterion of knowledge in my statement anyway?

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11 Mar 2009, 11:48 am

Continuing on the Pi = 3 approximation, it may come mathematically from the perimeter of a hexagon inscribed within a circle. A regular hexagon is composed of six equilateral triangles and each side of the hexagon is a side of each triangle. The diameter is two sides length and the perimeter is six sides length, so:

diameter = 2 side; 1 side = 0.5 diameter

perimeter = 6 sides
perimeter = 6 *0.5 diameter
perimeter = 3 diameters

This approximation is easier to perform than the octagonal, since were dealing with equilateral rather than Isosceles triangles, and more accurate than the square value of 2*√2

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11 Mar 2009, 1:29 pm

If the bible was true... we'd all be dead.

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11 Mar 2009, 1:48 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

It is quite interesting to me how people are willing to use the simplified math of a Phonetician metalworker in order to attempt to discredit the Bible. It really just shows how petty people can be when there is something they wish to gain.

I have to agree with it, as I have said, I am skeptical about the claim of the Bible being divinitely inspired, but using the pi=3 to discredit it, doesn't actually provide an argument satisfactory enough to support a view against the Bible, and it becomes meaningless.

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11 Mar 2009, 2:08 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:

It is quite interesting to me how people are willing to use the simplified math of a Phonetician metalworker in order to attempt to discredit the Bible. It really just shows how petty people can be when there is something they wish to gain.

I have to agree with it, as I have said, I am skeptical about the claim of the Bible being divinitely inspired, but using the pi=3 to discredit it, doesn't actually provide an argument satisfactory enough to support a view against the Bible, and it becomes meaningless.

It works like this: The Bible is the inerrant Word of God. The Bible says pi = 3. But pi != 3. Hence the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God. What a surprise!

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11 Mar 2009, 2:16 pm

Chibi_Neko wrote:

If the bible was true... we'd all be dead.

Why?

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11 Mar 2009, 2:46 pm

ruveyn wrote:

greenblue wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

It is quite interesting to me how people are willing to use the simplified math of a Phonetician metalworker in order to attempt to discredit the Bible. It really just shows how petty people can be when there is something they wish to gain.

I have to agree with it, as I have said, I am skeptical about the claim of the Bible being divinitely inspired, but using the pi=3 to discredit it, doesn't actually provide an argument satisfactory enough to support a view against the Bible, and it becomes meaningless.

It works like this: The Bible is the inerrant Word of God. The Bible says pi = 3. But pi != 3. Hence the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God. What a surprise!

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It seems more like this:

[1]
If the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, then it will contain no errors or approximations (everything will be infinitely precise with no omission of detail because all the smallest bits of information are infinitely important.)

[2]
The Bible contains a crude approximation of Pi based on a length of rope that was 30 cubits long (45 feet long), when the rope should have been 31 cubits, 2 hand's breadths, and 1.48667765 finger breadths in length!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!

[3]
Therefore the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God

If A, then B.
Not B.
Therefore not A.

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