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15 Mar 2009, 8:55 pm

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And after America has recovered almost fully after the end of his second term, where will you stand? ;)


In spite of what he did, not because of what he did.

But hold on. Wait another three years and see what is what. If it is another New Deal it will fail. In 1937 unemployment was just as high as it was in 1933. The FDR New Deal failed. It was the coming war in Europe that bailed the U.S. out.

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:lmao: haha Seriuously? In 1933 the unemployment rate was 24.9% and in 1937 it was down to 14.3%. So I don't know where you got your ideas from, but they are quite funny.


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16 Mar 2009, 11:46 am

jamesp420 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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And after America has recovered almost fully after the end of his second term, where will you stand? ;)


In spite of what he did, not because of what he did.

But hold on. Wait another three years and see what is what. If it is another New Deal it will fail. In 1937 unemployment was just as high as it was in 1933. The FDR New Deal failed. It was the coming war in Europe that bailed the U.S. out.

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:lmao: haha Seriuously? In 1933 the unemployment rate was 24.9% and in 1937 it was down to 14.3%. So I don't know where you got your ideas from, but they are quite funny.


FDR policies did ultimately did help improve the economy. However, it was WWII that turned the economy around completely. Some people believe that FDA hurt the economy. It is true that some of the things that FDR pushed for hurt the economy. But overall, he helped it. Nobody bats 100%.

Some of the thing Obama will do to change the country and economy will not work, and some will. That is just the way it is in government and politics.



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16 Mar 2009, 12:07 pm

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:lmao: haha Seriuously? In 1933 the unemployment rate was 24.9% and in 1937 it was down to 14.3%. So I don't know where you got your ideas from, but they are quite funny.


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Quite so.

From 1933 on our exports went in the crapper and GDP per capita did not reach pre-depression levels until 1940.

Unemployment rose from 14.3% in 1937 to 18.2% in 1938. Some success!

It was WW2 that bailed us out. The turnaround year for the U.S. was 1939. From then on GDP went steadily up and unemployment went steadily down.

The fact was that 1937 to 1938 was a recession within the depression. That is not the mark of a successful program.

We can thank Adolf Hitler for the recovery.

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16 Mar 2009, 8:06 pm

We have two wars going on now, as we did then.



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16 Mar 2009, 8:14 pm

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We have two wars going on now, as we did then.


that pesky obama, becoming president while wars are going on! shame on him! shame!


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16 Mar 2009, 8:22 pm

Yet now i reckon "wars" are costing americans, more than helping their economy. :p



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16 Mar 2009, 9:57 pm

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I can't understand why people are getting on Obama for the economy not being better yet. He hasn't even been in office for two months, and the economy took eight years to get this bad, and will probably take no less an amount of time to become healthy once more. Don't hate Obama until his plans have had time or work(or not). Just sit back, be patient, and try to let things run their course.


Obama may be the one in the bathroom now, but that doesn't mean me he is the one that made it smell. Bush was sitting on the thrown for the last 8 years and I am willing to bet he had a bigger impact on what we are smelling now.

The world economy is a huge ship, and it takes a long time to get it pointed back in the right direction, especially one others almost sank it.

I shouldn't get involved here as I don't follow anything but the stock market, but I do believe that simply saying that the economy sucked kinda misses the fact that there are arguments against what Obama's already done. I mean, "the White House opens its mouth and the stock market drops" was a pretty common joke a few weeks back.


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21 Mar 2009, 10:44 am

twoshots wrote:
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I can't understand why people are getting on Obama for the economy not being better yet. He hasn't even been in office for two months, and the economy took eight years to get this bad, and will probably take no less an amount of time to become healthy once more. Don't hate Obama until his plans have had time or work(or not). Just sit back, be patient, and try to let things run their course.


Obama may be the one in the bathroom now, but that doesn't mean me he is the one that made it smell. Bush was sitting on the thrown for the last 8 years and I am willing to bet he had a bigger impact on what we are smelling now.

The world economy is a huge ship, and it takes a long time to get it pointed back in the right direction, especially one others almost sank it.

I shouldn't get involved here as I don't follow anything but the stock market, but I do believe that simply saying that the economy sucked kinda misses the fact that there are arguments against what Obama's already done. I mean, "the White House opens its mouth and the stock market drops" was a pretty common joke a few weeks back.


That is a common joke, and been said with every president I have studied since Nixon.
I remember Bush Sr use to say in 1992 when running for reelection, based his campaign on everything that Clinton said, and the stocks fall, and it was factually true. But the reality is, the economy does best with a Democratic President and a Republican Congress. Second best as a Republican President and Democratic Congress, and horrible when one party controls both houses.

Obama is going to to f-up really bad his first years as president because he is still learning the job. However, he is smart man, and will be able to adapt and do the job better than most, which all we are asking at this point.



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22 Mar 2009, 8:31 am

IdahoAspie wrote:

Obama is going to to f-up really bad his first years as president because he is still learning the job. However, he is smart man, and will be able to adapt and do the job better than most, which all we are asking at this point.


Are you saying Prince Obama is an amateur?

Is he what Plato had in mind when he spoke of philosopher kings?

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24 Mar 2009, 11:55 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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And after America has recovered almost fully after the end of his second term, where will you stand? ;)


In spite of what he did, not because of what he did.


So hold on here, even if the economy recovers under Obama, after epic failing (for lack of a more amusing term) under Bush, it won't change your political position at all? Did I miss the part where economic theory became a cult-like religion?



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25 Mar 2009, 11:20 am

What's up Obres??



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25 Mar 2009, 2:59 pm

Obres wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
jamesp420 wrote:

And after America has recovered almost fully after the end of his second term, where will you stand? ;)


In spite of what he did, not because of what he did.


So hold on here, even if the economy recovers under Obama, after epic failing (for lack of a more amusing term) under Bush, it won't change your political position at all? Did I miss the part where economic theory became a cult-like religion?

He's probably implying that, just like in 1994, it'll be the Republicans taking back control of Congress and/or Senate and they'll be the ones that fix the economy or at least disarm the explosives the current administration is placing on "the ship". Then, like Clinton, Obama will get credit and go two terms.