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15 Mar 2009, 6:00 am

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http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/

This is the contest I was thinking of. I think it's for writing that takes itself too seriously and is expressed in an overwrought, dense or wordy manner.


"Too seriously" is a rather strange comment. I could, of course, express myself in limericks or jokes about the three time travelers who stop into a bar. The concept of present time should be rather clear to any conscious human and anyone familiar with the Einsteinian space time relationship should have no difficulty grasping how elusive "present time" can be in that context. You might try http://www.ahajokes.com/ if you are looking for a laugh.

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15 Mar 2009, 12:13 pm

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i'm not even sure what you're trying to say there.


Then obviously it is not my English in question but your comprehension.


:lol: I don't think anyone would comprehend that sentence.

I didn't have any trouble understanding it. Of course, it could possibly have been written better, but that is true of almost everything on the Internet.


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15 Mar 2009, 12:20 pm

communication w animals isnt very hard.

all you have to do is DE-anthropomorphize them, accept them as ANIMALS, accept their brain as smaller and dumber, accept their instincts, and accept their body language.

i am a quiet guy, and i dont do authority. but when walking my dads - , mothers - or grandma's dog, i handle them excellently. the dogs know me by now, but even when they didnt, they can smell/sense i am family, based on how i interact w the others, and therefore - with a little bit of attitude - i become one of the alphas.
i will direct the walk without saying much, i can make the dog ignore kids or other dogs, just by attitude allone.
its not "psychic" its just language-of-the-dogs.

with my cat, i completely change my attitude, because a cat works differently. i can make her come, or stop doing something shes not supposed to, by just uttering subtle sounds to her.

cat and dog communication got one thing in common: use eyecontact, a lot.

i grew up with budgies, so i got an easy connection with them too. when visiting people w budgies, i cant stay away from them, and they quickly feel safe with me, cus i know how they function.

none of it is supernatural or magic, but quite the contrary.


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15 Mar 2009, 1:57 pm

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none of it is supernatural or magic, but quite the contrary.


I agree. However, if you tried to explain this using the scientific method, none of it would make sense or can be proven or even taught to other people. It's a state of mind that makes you connect to the animal. It's internal and cannot be replicated through a strict protocol unless the protocol is determined by a set of attitudes. I can't describe it. Some people have a way with animals and some just can't get them to do anything. This is not paranormal but it does defy logic as we know it. Why should your attitude make a difference if all the other protocols to animal training are being met? I know what it is but I can't really describe it.


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15 Mar 2009, 2:15 pm

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none of it is supernatural or magic, but quite the contrary.


I agree. However, if you tried to explain this using the scientific method, none of it would make sense or can be proven or even taught to other people. It's a state of mind that makes you connect to the animal. It's internal and cannot be replicated through a strict protocol unless the protocol is determined by a set of attitudes. I can't describe it. Some people have a way with animals and some just can't get them to do anything. This is not paranormal but it does defy logic as we know it. Why should your attitude make a difference if all the other protocols to animal training are being met? I know what it is but I can't really describe it.


in a sense it DOES have a protocol, but its just difficult to explain to people who arent making an effort at "snapping out" of the "human mindset"

like when people think that a dog is born w the knowledge of "NO! BAD dog!"

a good example is my grandma, who - every time the dog barks at strangers from the balcony, my grandma yells "NO! NO! NO!"
the dog never quits barking.

the dog's 12 years old, and i made the dog shut up, easily. after 12 years. new trick indeed.
(she lives in spain, so we dont see them that often. the dog barely even knows who i am)
just by communicating with the dog. (i moved her head/face/FOCUS away from the people below, and towards my stern look. just a gentle but firm move w my hand. that was all it took. after 12 years of non-stop barking, she shut up over eyecontact. i didnt want to punish her for barking, cus she thinks shes doing a good job. i just let her know that i dissaprove.)

i told my grandmother that what SHE had been doing for 12 years was to bark along. the dog hears her yell, along with her.
"BARK BARK BARK!" "NO NO NO!" theyre barking at strangers together :D


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15 Mar 2009, 2:29 pm

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none of it is supernatural or magic, but quite the contrary.


I agree. However, if you tried to explain this using the scientific method, none of it would make sense or can be proven or even taught to other people. It's a state of mind that makes you connect to the animal. It's internal and cannot be replicated through a strict protocol unless the protocol is determined by a set of attitudes. I can't describe it. Some people have a way with animals and some just can't get them to do anything. This is not paranormal but it does defy logic as we know it. Why should your attitude make a difference if all the other protocols to animal training are being met? I know what it is but I can't really describe it.


I have had a couple of dogs, about ten cats, one adult seagul, three baby seagulls that I raised and freed, several types of tropical fish, a muskrat, quite a few rats both white and wild, mice, a sparrow, a crow, about eighteen hedgehogs, a rabbit, a few newts, a salamander, a praying mantis, about ten budgerigars and several turtles. Each one has a recognizable set of gestures and some had had vocal calls that I could interpret and imitate to aid our communication. And we did communicate. The dogs and cats knew some English but most of our communication was in their language. There was nothing mysterious or psychic about it. It was mostly gestural and tonal. With the fish, of course, it was all gesture. We understood each other with no paranormal effects at all.At the moment I am meeting with about 200 wild ducks each evening and trying to help them get through winter until Spring thaw. We get along well, again with no paranormality.



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15 Mar 2009, 5:08 pm

Sand wrote:
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none of it is supernatural or magic, but quite the contrary.


I agree. However, if you tried to explain this using the scientific method, none of it would make sense or can be proven or even taught to other people. It's a state of mind that makes you connect to the animal. It's internal and cannot be replicated through a strict protocol unless the protocol is determined by a set of attitudes. I can't describe it. Some people have a way with animals and some just can't get them to do anything. This is not paranormal but it does defy logic as we know it. Why should your attitude make a difference if all the other protocols to animal training are being met? I know what it is but I can't really describe it.


I have had a couple of dogs, about ten cats, one adult seagul, three baby seagulls that I raised and freed, several types of tropical fish, a muskrat, quite a few rats both white and wild, mice, a sparrow, a crow, about eighteen hedgehogs, a rabbit, a few newts, a salamander, a praying mantis, about ten budgerigars and several turtles. Each one has a recognizable set of gestures and some had had vocal calls that I could interpret and imitate to aid our communication. And we did communicate. The dogs and cats knew some English but most of our communication was in their language. There was nothing mysterious or psychic about it. It was mostly gestural and tonal. With the fish, of course, it was all gesture. We understood each other with no paranormal effects at all.At the moment I am meeting with about 200 wild ducks each evening and trying to help them get through winter until Spring thaw. We get along well, again with no paranormality.


awesome!
my dad had to kill a gull (hm, i forgot to mention in my kill-thread.. ) when i was a kid. he was devastated afterwards, i didnt know he killed it untill years later, when i remembered the incident and asked him about it.
some kids have been stoning it, (one can wonder about their upbringing... ) and its wings were all broken up. but before he took the decision to "free it in the forest somewhere" we asked my mother if we could keep it at least untill we could hand it over to a vet or something, but she didnt wanna.
:/

the words humans use to communicate w animals, are often immitations, kinda like loan-words, for example "NO!" to a dog, is similar to a bark. to my cat, "NO!" never worked and never will, what does however work wonders is "noooooo.... " because its similar to the low humming growl that cats do (not the hiss.)

when i tell her to come, i do it with the same tone of voice that cats do when meowing their come-here-attention meow, and when i greet her, i add a little creeking/vibrating effect to my voice, resembling the rolling "mrrrau" cats do when greeting.

i knew very little about cat communication when i got her, but i cant stand the idea of taking care of an animal unprepared*, it would be animal cruelty, so i read up on everything, and i quickly got the rolling hello sound right. the first time i tried it on her, we just greeted each others for like a minute :D
"hello!" "yes, hi!" "hi there!" "hello!" "hello!"

*an adhd neighbor of us got the cat to catch mice. i told him that a cat wont fix the rodent problem (it didnt, the mice persisted) and that none of us were prepared for the responsability to have a living animal w us. the next day, he came back w a kitten :roll:


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15 Mar 2009, 5:37 pm

I think that this rapport with animals is on the psychic spectrum. I don't believe that psychic ability is magical or that anything is supernatural in a fairy tail sense. There are many people who can have this kind of rapport with other people. To those who lack a theory of mind, it may appear as if they are mind reading, but they are just using basic intuition.


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15 Mar 2009, 5:42 pm

Magnus wrote:
I think that this rapport with animals is on the psychic spectrum. I don't believe that psychic ability is magical or that anything is supernatural in a fairy tail sense. There are many people who can have this kind of rapport with other people. To those who lack a theory of mind, it may appear as if they are mind reading, but they are just using basic intuition.


to SOME degree, i can aggree, but only cus i havent found any other definite explanation

what i refer to is inter-animal non-verbal complex communication

for example a pride of lions ambushing zebras. how do they coordinate beforehand? how does each one know its position, in the physical landscape, before they charge? if i didnt know better, i'd imagine that they somehow transfer very generic sensations and images.

another example is two cats, in a back yard, one spotted a bird, and then looked at the other cat, who made itself visible to the bird, but without approaching. the bird froze, and stared at the cat, while the other cat pounced it.

what the hell happened in those moments before the cats went into their positions?


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15 Mar 2009, 5:50 pm

What views does the tree have on having its cousins chopped down to fill up your printer?


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15 Mar 2009, 5:52 pm

Oh, and could you ask it for the Euro Millions numbers, for next friday? :duh:


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15 Mar 2009, 6:54 pm

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I have had a couple of dogs, about ten cats, one adult seagul, three baby seagulls that I raised and freed, several types of tropical fish, a muskrat, quite a few rats both white and wild, mice, a sparrow, a crow, about eighteen hedgehogs, a rabbit, a few newts, a salamander, a praying mantis, about ten budgerigars and several turtles.


8O You had a zoo? lol



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15 Mar 2009, 7:15 pm

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I have had a couple of dogs, about ten cats, one adult seagul, three baby seagulls that I raised and freed, several types of tropical fish, a muskrat, quite a few rats both white and wild, mice, a sparrow, a crow, about eighteen hedgehogs, a rabbit, a few newts, a salamander, a praying mantis, about ten budgerigars and several turtles.


8O You had a zoo? lol


Sounds like Noah :P


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15 Mar 2009, 7:23 pm

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*****This is not a debate thread, rather it is going under the region topic . So please no debating or asking for proof.
thanks! ****

This is a thread for you psychics out there on the wrong planet.

List you ability's ones you actually have. Even if they only happened once as a freak occurrence.

Also feel free to speculate how you managed to do them .

I'll go first with my more believable ones.

I'm psychic I can feel what people are feeling (empathic). I can read faces (I will explain that one if asked). I can talk to trees if I want to. I can communicate with animals.
And connect to "the grid" as the indigo's call it to communicate with people consciously or unconsciously.

Among other things which I may add later.

I speculate I am able to do these things By picking up on the electromagnetic frequency that everything gives off and being able to send and receive information that way.

but that's just my theory. :wink:


ESP has no basis in physical reality. The brain does not generate enough energy to send messages far and wide.

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15 Mar 2009, 8:25 pm

I don't know how much energy the brain generates but it has been estimated that the brain's total energy consumption is 25 watts. If you can compare it to a radio transmitter that is 20 watts, which covers about a 7 mile radius, then it might be conceivable that we can send and receive telepathic messages. However, I don't think telepathy even works this way.

I think it is more probable that we are all of one consciousness. All matter of the earth is actually one living entity and each individual has their own subjective reality. Or, more likely, they are tuned into their own channel. If we can tap into the collective consciousness then we are more able to communicate with other living things in a telepathic way. I'm just speculating...


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15 Mar 2009, 8:31 pm

Magnus wrote:
If we can tap into the collective consciousness then we are more able to communicate with other living things in a telepathic way.
:D Resistance is futile.
Sorry...I could not resist. This thread has been very interesting.



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