05 Apr 2009, 1:10 pm
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05 Apr 2009, 5:51 pm
I hope there is a seperate autistic one lol
That way we can have god wars and our one will win because Aspie God > NT God 
What I'd like to know is why, if they have such true faith, that some of them get deeply distressed when you point out logical fallacies and gaps in reason within religion, I reckon their minds realise the truth, even if it is subconsciously
06 Apr 2009, 6:46 pm
06 Apr 2009, 10:40 pm
07 Apr 2009, 2:11 pm
JakeWilson wrote:
I believe homosexuality is a sin and that God did not create them that way.
However I think homosexuality cannot be simplified to one cause in every single instance.
For some people I think it is a choice, but for many it may not be a choice to actually have these desires in and of themselves.
We should remember that in and of itself, it is not a sin to simply be tempted by something. Jesus was tempted but was without sin.
What is a sin is if you act on an evil desire, even if it means meditating on it for a minute.
And that is always a choice, although can be hard to resist for someone who feels that way.
However I think homosexuality cannot be simplified to one cause in every single instance.
For some people I think it is a choice, but for many it may not be a choice to actually have these desires in and of themselves.
We should remember that in and of itself, it is not a sin to simply be tempted by something. Jesus was tempted but was without sin.
What is a sin is if you act on an evil desire, even if it means meditating on it for a minute.
And that is always a choice, although can be hard to resist for someone who feels that way.
I don't think free will or choice applies in an omniscient entity, after all, firstly he supposedly created us, which means that we were already destined for hell, he'd shoved a bundle of us their already, because if the god of classical theism exists then neither you, me or any others have free will, because god created us and knew what we would do before we do it, what a nice supposedly omnibenevolent entity.......
Which means that us poor atheists had no choice and couldn't help but think rationally, meaning we were going to hell before we even had a choice, curse you god of classical theism
07 Apr 2009, 2:21 pm
SamAckary wrote:
JakeWilson wrote:
I believe homosexuality is a sin and that God did not create them that way.
However I think homosexuality cannot be simplified to one cause in every single instance.
For some people I think it is a choice, but for many it may not be a choice to actually have these desires in and of themselves.
We should remember that in and of itself, it is not a sin to simply be tempted by something. Jesus was tempted but was without sin.
What is a sin is if you act on an evil desire, even if it means meditating on it for a minute.
And that is always a choice, although can be hard to resist for someone who feels that way.
However I think homosexuality cannot be simplified to one cause in every single instance.
For some people I think it is a choice, but for many it may not be a choice to actually have these desires in and of themselves.
We should remember that in and of itself, it is not a sin to simply be tempted by something. Jesus was tempted but was without sin.
What is a sin is if you act on an evil desire, even if it means meditating on it for a minute.
And that is always a choice, although can be hard to resist for someone who feels that way.
I don't think free will or choice applies in an omniscient entity, after all, firstly he supposedly created us, which means that we were already destined for hell, he'd shoved a bundle of us their already, because if the god of classical theism exists then neither you, me or any others have free will, because god created us and knew what we would do before we do it, what a nice supposedly omnibenevolent entity.......
Which means that us poor atheists had no choice and couldn't help but think rationally, meaning we were going to hell before we even had a choice, curse you god of classical theism
Exactly, there is no free will in a universe with an omniscient diety. It's contradictory.
07 Apr 2009, 2:54 pm
Henriksson wrote:
SamAckary wrote:
JakeWilson wrote:
I believe homosexuality is a sin and that God did not create them that way.
However I think homosexuality cannot be simplified to one cause in every single instance.
For some people I think it is a choice, but for many it may not be a choice to actually have these desires in and of themselves.
We should remember that in and of itself, it is not a sin to simply be tempted by something. Jesus was tempted but was without sin.
What is a sin is if you act on an evil desire, even if it means meditating on it for a minute.
And that is always a choice, although can be hard to resist for someone who feels that way.
However I think homosexuality cannot be simplified to one cause in every single instance.
For some people I think it is a choice, but for many it may not be a choice to actually have these desires in and of themselves.
We should remember that in and of itself, it is not a sin to simply be tempted by something. Jesus was tempted but was without sin.
What is a sin is if you act on an evil desire, even if it means meditating on it for a minute.
And that is always a choice, although can be hard to resist for someone who feels that way.
I don't think free will or choice applies in an omniscient entity, after all, firstly he supposedly created us, which means that we were already destined for hell, he'd shoved a bundle of us their already, because if the god of classical theism exists then neither you, me or any others have free will, because god created us and knew what we would do before we do it, what a nice supposedly omnibenevolent entity.......
Which means that us poor atheists had no choice and couldn't help but think rationally, meaning we were going to hell before we even had a choice, curse you god of classical theism
Exactly, there is no free will in a universe with an omniscient diety. It's contradictory.
Thank you
07 Apr 2009, 9:47 pm
SamAckary wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
SamAckary wrote:
JakeWilson wrote:
I believe homosexuality is a sin and that God did not create them that way.
However I think homosexuality cannot be simplified to one cause in every single instance.
For some people I think it is a choice, but for many it may not be a choice to actually have these desires in and of themselves.
We should remember that in and of itself, it is not a sin to simply be tempted by something. Jesus was tempted but was without sin.
What is a sin is if you act on an evil desire, even if it means meditating on it for a minute.
And that is always a choice, although can be hard to resist for someone who feels that way.
However I think homosexuality cannot be simplified to one cause in every single instance.
For some people I think it is a choice, but for many it may not be a choice to actually have these desires in and of themselves.
We should remember that in and of itself, it is not a sin to simply be tempted by something. Jesus was tempted but was without sin.
What is a sin is if you act on an evil desire, even if it means meditating on it for a minute.
And that is always a choice, although can be hard to resist for someone who feels that way.
I don't think free will or choice applies in an omniscient entity, after all, firstly he supposedly created us, which means that we were already destined for hell, he'd shoved a bundle of us their already, because if the god of classical theism exists then neither you, me or any others have free will, because god created us and knew what we would do before we do it, what a nice supposedly omnibenevolent entity.......
Which means that us poor atheists had no choice and couldn't help but think rationally, meaning we were going to hell before we even had a choice, curse you god of classical theism
Exactly, there is no free will in a universe with an omniscient diety. It's contradictory.
Thank you
It is not necessary to have an omniscient deity for a lack of free will. Any consideration of free will at all will reveal it is a useless capability. Decisions, to be effective, must always respond to circumstance and assumed consequences.
08 Apr 2009, 7:04 pm
08 Apr 2009, 8:03 pm
08 Apr 2009, 11:45 pm
Sand wrote:
Chibi_Neko wrote:
Keith wrote:
God would be neither man, male nor female. There would be no need. Why would a God have the need for a gender and sexuality?
How would he get Mary pregnant?
Momoms believe that god had actual sex with Mary, so I guess at least they believe god is male.
Anyway if there is a god, I highly doubt that we appear in god's image, the people who made up the bible probably wrote that becasue they lacked imagination
I doubt religious people take the creation of Jesus to have taken place in the normal sexual manner.
You forget: Jesus was not "created" according the church: "And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;" (Creed of Nicene).
To bring logic into this sophistic formula is beyond my means ...
08 Apr 2009, 11:59 pm
TheUnnamedOne wrote:
Well I was just wondering (I might be wrong, and if so I'm sorry)....God makes people in his own image, right? So...wouldn't that include their sexuality? But yet, homosexuality, etc is a sin...but didn't God make them like that....?
Just for the sake of completion - there is the Catholic idea which does not declare homosexuality as a sin, but the homosexual act:
Quote:
Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
So the Vatican, High Lord and Master of The "Sophisticated" Word, thinks it is Ok to be gay, so fare you not having sex ...
I think you need more one twist in the brain to see this as logic, but how need logic if you have the Pope.
Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church
09 Apr 2009, 12:17 am
Dussel wrote:
TheUnnamedOne wrote:
Well I was just wondering (I might be wrong, and if so I'm sorry)....God makes people in his own image, right? So...wouldn't that include their sexuality? But yet, homosexuality, etc is a sin...but didn't God make them like that....?
Just for the sake of completion - there is the Catholic idea which does not declare homosexuality as a sin, but the homosexual act:
Quote:
Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
So the Vatican, High Lord and Master of The "Sophisticated" Word, thinks it is Ok to be gay, so fare you not having sex ...
I think you need more one twist in the brain to see this as logic, but how need logic if you have the Pope.
Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church
What do you find unclear about it?
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