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19 Apr 2009, 9:31 pm

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I saw a lot of people under the influence of both drugs, and they were less violent than a lot of people under the influence of alcohol.

good point, alcohol is a drug. and according to vibratetogether making all drugs legal will prevent anyone from becomming addicted to anything. alcohol is a perfect example of why he is wrong

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Especially with Methamphetamine Anyone how ran through this process will be in future much more careful with this particular drug.

unfortunatley people, ie human nature's tendancy's is to never learn from mistakes. especially when one feels as good as meth does

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19 Apr 2009, 9:33 pm

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Dussel wrote:

I saw a lot of people under the influence of both drugs, and they were less violent than a lot of people under the influence of alcohol.

good point, alcohol is a drug. and according to vibratetogether making all drugs legal will prevent anyone from becomming addicted to anything. alcohol is a perfect example of why he is wrong

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Especially with Methamphetamine Anyone how ran through this process will be in future much more careful with this particular drug.

unfortunatley people, ie human nature's tendancy's is to never learn from mistakes. especially when one feels as good as meth does

thank you for being the voice of sanity and reason! Vibrate, humans are deeply flawed and stupid creatures, given any chance, we gorge ourselves on stuff, be it drugs or food. 1:4 toddlers are clincally obese! and given the current economy, legalazation would bankrupt families as the bread winner puts all his money to feed his habit!

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19 Apr 2009, 9:36 pm

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only takes one homemade meth lab explosion to sicken a city.

So why would you want to keep more of them in operation? Again, refer to my last post, or numerous videos and dissertations from LEAP alone to find why the war on drugs causes most of the problems associated with drugs.

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and if checked your history, all drugs were legal for the longest time and you know what? America had the highest addiction and crime rates. Hell, ever hear of the opium wars of china? Trust me, hard core drugs are illegal world wide for a reason. Its the soft stuff, pot, LSD, shrooms, that are legal becuase its harm it could cause is miniscule. No one ever took a machete to their arm taking pot, on PCP, there are numerous tales of them mutilation themselves and others.

Please point to a time in history where drugs were legal and the addiction and crime rates were higher than today. Please point to a time in history when drugs were legal and more readily available to anyone who wanted them than they are today. What has the war on drugs done exactly? It's effectively been 70 some odd years, and drugs are more available, and more people use them then before prohibition. And I'm talking relative, not absolute. Not to mention the empowering effects the WOD lends to drug cartels, the biggest perpetrators of drug related violence.

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19 Apr 2009, 9:44 pm

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Dussel wrote:

I saw a lot of people under the influence of both drugs, and they were less violent than a lot of people under the influence of alcohol.

good point, alcohol is a drug. and according to vibratetogether making all drugs legal will prevent anyone from becomming addicted to anything. alcohol is a perfect example of why he is wrong

It will not - humans are humans; and some will become addicted.

But I am in favour of a general legalization under a strict regime controlling access and price. The current politics of a total prohibition costs enormous amounts of money. I do not have numbers for the USA, but here in the UK ca. 40% of the prison population are imprisoned related to drugs; this adds up in billions of £. Than there is the cost of policing, the cost of the justice system. Also: The revenue of illegal drugs (I have a number of £7 bio. in mind from the Home Office) is not taxed and feeds a money laundering system. Causes therefore extra corruption.

The all-over costs must be in the region beyond the number of £15 bio. per year for the UK - the number for the USA must be much higher. I do not think we will ever archive a "drug free society". The question must be more how the state can put this desire of human to escape reality for a while into canals and minimizing the harm (and costs) for society.

I think this can be best archived with legal, but highly restricted and regulated market.

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19 Apr 2009, 9:55 pm

well as i have already said, who will regulate it? the government? you have to be out of your mind. they cant even take care of the simplest of tasks, let alone regulate everyone wanting a sudden crack perscription for back pain :lol:

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19 Apr 2009, 9:58 pm

Please legalize drugs.

Let Darwin's "survival of the fittest" take care of the rest.

Thank you.

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19 Apr 2009, 10:09 pm

majority of drug prison terms are for pot, I am for pot legalazation. And as for higher rate of crime, how about in the 80's during the crack epidemic?

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19 Apr 2009, 10:21 pm

see the problem is, is thats all these fools are running with. of course pot should be legalized, doesnt mean all drugs should. :lol:

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19 Apr 2009, 10:27 pm

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well as i have already said, who will regulate it? the government?

How else has the power to do so. Perhaps a system along the lines of the Swedish Systembolaget for alcohol, but stronger restricted (e.g. only open a few hours a week, no sale to anyone which is not registered and with a sales staff selected for their unfriendliness):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget

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19 Apr 2009, 10:47 pm

the government can't regulate anything, let alone millions of new found customers with sudden back problems

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19 Apr 2009, 10:52 pm

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And as for higher rate of crime, how about in the 80's during the crack epidemic?

Irrelevant, crack was never legal.

Again, the vast majority of violent crime related to drugs is perpetrated by the producers and traffickers, the cartels and dealers, not the users. Drugs have funded gang violence from it's inception in this country, and continues to do so today, despite the billions of dollars our government spends fighting it. It is the culture of prohibition and negative stigma that perpetuates the worst ills of drugs, not the drugs themselves. Imprisoning people for possession does not help anyone, least of all the users themselves.

Actually, I retract that last statement. It helps the privately owned prison system, the politicians and organizations who ally themselves with the war on drugs, and anyone else who can get their hands in the prohibition grab bag. And that is the real obstacle standing between this country and any discernible chance of ending this charade. As long as lots of people can get lots of money from it, facts don't matter.

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19 Apr 2009, 10:54 pm

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And as for higher rate of crime, how about in the 80's during the crack epidemic?

ah, true colors come out! a crackpot tin foil hatted conspiracy theorist, let me guess, the goverment invented AIDS and crack, rite? :roll:

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19 Apr 2009, 11:03 pm

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the government can't regulate anything, let alone millions of new found customers with sudden back problems

The Swedish system of alcohol control consist of government owned shops, having a monopole of selling alcohol above 3.5% vol., those shops are open only certain times and the shop assistants do not have any interest in selling more alcohol, but just in doing there job according to strict regulations.

For harder drugs such shops could be open only a few hours a day, not at weekends or in the evening, do only sell a certain amount to local customers which are sober and above a certain age, which is to prove in any case - and only if the customer could prove that she/he attended a mandatory classes recently regarding the danger of a certain drug and passed an exam regarding the safe use. Just to palce here some ideas how to run such a system.

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19 Apr 2009, 11:07 pm

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the government can't regulate anything, let alone millions of new found customers with sudden back problems

okay, in the USA, we have anti-trust laws and any attempt to do this would violate the Sherman act.

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19 Apr 2009, 11:15 pm

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Dussel wrote:

richardbenson wrote:

the government can't regulate anything, let alone millions of new found customers with sudden back problems

okay, in the USA, we have anti-trust laws and any attempt to do this would violate the Sherman act.

This are Act of Congress and Congress could amend those if Congress would introduce such a system or would allow the state to set-up such a system. That's not a matter of law, but of the political will.

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