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I had a similar experience with my grandfather when he was dying of cancer. A sweetish, lingering, slightly sickening smell that seemed to linger on my skin and clothes after I visited him. I've sensed it on two other occasions, in both cases involving people suffering from a terminal disease.

Not to sound ageist but I think most racist people are from the older generation. In England, I think the whole racist issue has gone over the top. They went as far as changing a 'black board' to a 'chalk board', changed a nursery rhyme because they thought the words 'black sheep' were racist. It all suggests that being black is wrong, and that to me is racism itself.

I met a lot of young english people who are liberatingly racist, kind of like Prince Harry but more extreme. They just say what they think and act as if they had no upbringing, and I think that's in a way very nice. Of course I also met the type you talk about, back in the days when I played an online game for 2 years, I played with many english people and one was a 35-40 year old something man who considered even mentioning races or nationalities or cultures was "racist" and "bigot". He was really neurotic and supressed a lot of complexes, a total slave of political correctness. As a person he was greedy, small minded, vendictive etc but he hid behind a politically correct phasade as if he wasn't even in touch with himself. I prefer the open racists who just laugh and say "Hitler come back we need you to deal with these muslims, lol" to an anal and supressed person like the one I described, any day of the week.

TBH I can't help but agree with you. I'd rather an open racist than a shell of a man bent over with political correctnesses hand stuff up his black hole of...I mean "rainbow" hole, please don't ban me I'm english, my best friend is an Irish Sinn Feiner IRA guy. And yet we're great friends, I constantly rip the piss out of him over the six counties (not that I actually think it's funny, but it thicks him off ), and he just says "warrenpoint". I'm starting to realise racism beliefs are entirely acceptable, whether unfounded or not, as long as you don't treat people differently because of your beliefs. Basically you can think what you want as long as you treat everyone fair, unless they are personally dicks. Anyone agree?

They don't know much about history. Hitler and other NSs were pro Muslim and conspired with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in the final solution. So, Hitler would be embracing Islam, not fighting it.

Hitler used any allies he could. After the Thousand year Reich had been established he would have killed off or enslaved his former allies the romanians, hungarians, croats and bosniaks, as well as the middle-easterners if they interfered.

In his early speeches from the 1920's, Hitler says that "the jew wants us germans to believe we are no better than a simple turk", Turkey in that time being the symbol of Islamic rule and the religion Islam and the historically demonized enemy of Hitler's home country Austria.
In Mein Kampf he also expressed dislike with a lot of middle-easterners and calls the persians decadent and their culture obsolete (he later used them to prevent the brits from reaching the oil wells in Baku however).

Hitler lied and told people what they wanted to hear but deep down he was a full blooded racist who looked down on all the dark and musky races, his allies the italians were no exception.

The core of real germanocentric racist believes is that the jew is the motherbrain while the arabs, persians, turks and other lesser races are the cockroaches.

Actually, European Jews are descendants of Turkish Khazars who converted to Judaism.

Khazar are a turk-people, like a caucasus tribe more related to azeri. Maybe khazar and azeri is even the same thing but in different languages.

However, far from all jews are descendants of khazars. It's a favorite myth among non-jews. I'm not jewish myself but I studied enough about the holocaust to know the khazar descendants were a very specific group among the ashkenazim and in pre-holocaust Europe they weren't viewed as really full jews but rather what they were, khazars, and they even refered to themselves as khazars. Unlike traditional jews who lived in their shtetls, the khazars traveled a lot, more like gypsys, and had a circus culture and many had little menageries.
This idea that european jews are oblivious of their own origins and somehow believe they are "hebrews" when they all in fact are "khazar" (which isn't the case anyway) is a very racist idea spread mostly by antisemites. It's ridiculous and arrogant to believe someone from Ohio or Munich would know more about jews than the jews themselves. I've studied the lost world of pre-holocaust Europe by reading books, watching documentaries, talking to survivors from Poland, Hungary etc and even though I'm no expert on the subject, I'm 100% certain a majority of jews weren't khazar and those who were knew very well what they were.
It's complete BS this idea about a manipulative parasitic tribe who takes over other's cultures and poses as jews in order to "dominate other cultures".

However, the turk people of central asia show signs of weak self image and a need to be something they aren't, so somewhere there might be a seed of truth in the khazar theory, even though it's grossly exaggerated. Look at for example iranian pop-stars of azeri-turkish origin and people in that region in general. They are so obsessed with dying their hair, fixing their noses, gaining material wealth and pretending to be "persian" "aryan" "european" or whatever. Maybe this was always the case with marginalized turk-people, opressed by arabic, russian, persian etc majorities, even in the past centuries. Persians are more like indians btw, not like white europeans, but that's another story.

Zoonic,
It's not racist or anti semetic to say someone is descended from Khazars who converted to judaism. I don't see how that can be racist? Or anti semetic.
Is saying Catholics in Europe are descendants of pagans who converted to Catholicism anti Christian or racist?

Is this racist?


BLACK PEOPLE SMELL FUNNY.

No, I'm serious.

People of African (dark) genetics have a body odor I only smell on them, and it drives me batty...even if they are clean. I seem to be the only person who notices this, so I keep my mouth shut, but I've never been able so say this to someone else until now for fear of being called racist.

So what is this funny smell like? Pls elaborate. Ty.

The racism lies in the idea that a majority of ashkenaz jews are descended from khazars and on top of this are either oblivious about it or using it to pretend they are something they really aren't in order to promote a "zionist" agenda. The khazar theory is not in any way scientifically accepted. What's commonly accepted is that an extreme minority who were khazars and converted existed, not that most european jews would be khazars who forgot about their true origins.
The BS theory about all european jews being converted khazars originally is just used as an historically incorrect fact by antizionists who are also closet anti-semites, such as neo-nazis, odinists, pagans, Israel and jew-hating muslims etc. It's part of a conspiratory theory.
Khazars were always a minority among eastern european jews, never anything else.

The "khazar majority" theory goes hand in hand with holocaust-denial, revisionism and the idea that jews are behind all the evils in the world. People who believe in the khazar theory are in 99,9% of cases critical of Israel and use terms like "jews control the media" as a mantra.
Everyone else who even heard the word khazar knows it's a minority people among eastern european jews. They were famous for traveling around as circus performers and similar and they were targeted by the nazis, alongside the non-khazar jewish majority of Europe, because of their religion which was also judaism.

There is religious racism among some fundamentalist jews. There is a sense of elitism and xenophobia among some upper class german jewish families who are now very powerful in for example the US. Many jews are confused about their identity and become more or less extremist or racist but there is absolutely no world wide jewish conspiracy creating things like 9/11 or manipulating entire states.
Some jews are powerful and abuse other countries but this is also done by indians as well as iranians who migrated. The difference is the jews in some cases do it to support their little state. Sure, I don't think Israel is a "natural" state in any way but I still don't think the jews are an extreme evil in the world guilty of acting together as a collective organism in order to dominate the world.
I'm disgusted by "jewish pride" but I'm still not a brainwashed antisemite.

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There's no "pretending" involved because Zionism doesn't have to do so much with the origins of Ashkenaz jews. It's about the land that belongs to the jews. The Khazars were jewish because they converted which makes them just as jewish as jews from other parts of the world.

Khazaria was a significant Jewish community/state that existed.

Khazaria does not descredit Israel or Ashkenaz jews in any way unless you use it's existence as a justification to do so.

Khazaria was in central Asia, not eastern Europe. Only a few traveling jewish communities of khazars existed in Europe in the 19th and 20th centuries and these were distinctively "non-jewish" in their appearance, clothes, culture etc. The only thing they had in common with most european ashkenaz jews was the religion.
Many european jews were ancestors of those who escaped from racism in England, France and Italy in the middle ages. For a long time Poland and Austria became their homes. The polish jews can trace most of their ancestry to jews who were expelled from other european countries, not to central Asia.

Khazaria is not the only non-israeli jewish "state" that existed in history. Yemen was a jewish country before the birth of Islam and Ethiopia historically also had a lot of jewish converts but today only fragments of these remain and in the case of Khazaria it's pretty much extinct.

I'm not sure how to describe it. I find it an offensive smell. At first, I figured maybe the guy has bad B.O. but all dark colored people have this distinct smell to them, no matter how "clean" they are. I figure it must be tied to something genetic that affects the composition of whatever makes body odors. I've never heard anyone say anything about it so I've kept it to myself. However, if the smell is that obvious, why is it I seem to be the only one smelling it?

Even STRONG smells aren't necessarily easy to smell. I had a dog that was once SKUNKED! I smelled a strong zinc smell, but that was it. I didn't find it offensive. Alas, my poor pooch had a bath in tomato juice, because everyone else HATED it! Some sounds are DEAFENING to me, and others can't even hear them! GO FIGURE!

Anyway, some blacks are REALLY into physical things, don't care too much about hygiene, and eat very ETHNIC foods. They are likely to STINK! But that is not really because of their race. And a person that is often exposed is less likely to notice.