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01 Nov 2013, 4:04 pm

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Mamselle wrote:

Obamacare is a good start. Health care is a right, not a privilege. Anyone who says it's a privilege should be required to go to a county hospital and tell some four-year-old with no health insurance that he's not good enough to get seen by a doctor because his mommy and daddy are lazy 47 percenters. Then you can talk.

Have you considered presenting an argument rather than making a declaration? It might help us take you seriously.

Why can't Mamselle say whatever he wants?
Trust me, not all of us are taking everything your saying seriously, despite your presentation of "the facts." :lol:

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01 Nov 2013, 4:14 pm

Kraichgauer: Mamselle is a she. *curtsy* And thank you for defending me.

adb: That IS my argument. Perhaps it's not long enough for you to pick it apart, but so be it.

P.S. Apologies for the double post. I am new here and not sure how that happens.

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01 Nov 2013, 4:17 pm

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Kraichgauer: Mamselle is a she. *curtsy*

And thank you for defending me.

adb: That IS my argument. Perhaps it's not long enough for you to pick it apart, but so be it.

P.S. Apologies for the double post. I am new here and not sure how that happens.

Really? Female? Did you know your info sates you are male?

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01 Nov 2013, 4:20 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

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Kraichgauer: Mamselle is a she. *curtsy*

Really? Female? Did you know your info sates you are male?

Oops! Will change that, sorry.

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01 Nov 2013, 4:30 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Why can't Mamselle say whatever he wants?

I made a suggestion. Nowhere did I say she couldn't say what she wants.

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Trust me, not all of us are taking everything your saying seriously, despite your presentation of "the facts." :lol:

I present a rational argument, not emotional blather. If you choose not to take a rational argument seriously simply because you disagree with it, it's just closed-mindedness.

Do you prefer that this forum be a cesspool of liberal/socialist worldviews?

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01 Nov 2013, 4:33 pm

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adb: That IS my argument. Perhaps it's not long enough for you to pick it apart, but so be it.

There was no argument in your post. It was a statement in the form of an emotional outburst. Fortunately for you, there is a long line of wealth distribution enthusiasts that have your back.

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01 Nov 2013, 4:35 pm

adb wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Why can't Mamselle say whatever he wants?

I made a suggestion. Nowhere did I say she couldn't say what she wants.

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Trust me, not all of us are taking everything your saying seriously, despite your presentation of "the facts." :lol:

If you advocate denying health care to millions of people because YOU don't think they deserve it, that isn't exactly a rational argument. Like I said, go tell some little kid who just got sick or hurt that he doesn't deserve care because his mommy and daddy don't have health insurance.

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01 Nov 2013, 4:53 pm

Mamselle wrote:

If you advocate denying health care to millions of people because YOU don't think they deserve it, that isn't exactly a rational argument.

Advocating is not synonymous with presenting an argument. You're using vocabulary you don't understand.

Health care does not exist naturally, so it isn't being denied. It simply isn't being provided. If I decide not to feed you, I'm not denying you food. I'm only denying you food if I actively prevent you from getting it.

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Like I said, go tell some little kid who just got sick or hurt that he doesn't deserve care because his mommy and daddy don't have health insurance.

Why should I do this task? I try to build my worldview on logic and data, not emotional events. This appeal to empathy is wasted on me.

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01 Nov 2013, 4:55 pm

I understand vocabulary just fine. You need to understand some vocabulary--some words like "smug," perhaps, and "self-congratulatory." Does your ego fit in your head?

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01 Nov 2013, 4:57 pm

adb wrote:

Mamselle wrote:

If you advocate denying health care to millions of people because YOU don't think they deserve it, that isn't exactly a rational argument.

Advocating is not synonymous with presenting an argument. You're using vocabulary you don't understand.

To be fair, this is a forum, so just advocating something is quite acceptable, with or without fact. With or without argument.

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01 Nov 2013, 5:55 pm

adb wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Why can't Mamselle say whatever he wants?

I made a suggestion. Nowhere did I say she couldn't say what she wants.

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Trust me, not all of us are taking everything your saying seriously, despite your presentation of "the facts." :lol:

Caring for people consists of more than just rationality, but plenty of heart.
And it's that "cesspool" of liberal/socialist worldviews" that allows people in need to eat and have a roof over their heads. And soon, they will be able to see the doctor, too.

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01 Nov 2013, 7:15 pm

Jacoby wrote:

In the grand scheme my opinion means nothing, the law will speak for itself. It already is. The question is, will you accept reality when the time comes or will you go down with the ship?

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, which, in addition to meaning nothing, is nonsensical.

Do Libertarian newsletters contain anything in the way of reasoned analysis? Or do they present nothing more than unreasoned hysteria?

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01 Nov 2013, 7:31 pm

adb wrote:

My insurance rates over the last decade have been increasing at a rate of 3-6% a year. As I explained earlier, in 2014 they go up an average of 75% across my employees, ranging from 40% to 150%. None of my employees qualify for any subsidies.

Was you plan out of compliance with the new standards?

adb wrote:

But there are a lot of major consequences coming to bear right now due to the ACA and as a small business owner, I feel like I'm getting the brunt of them.

Some of us have seen very positive consequences: keeping children covered until the age of 26; actually being able to afford coverage; improved mental health coverage; etc.

One thing that might have an impact on businesses: a lot of people who would have prefered self-employment, or who had enough money and would have preferred not to work, sought employment with businesses for the sake of getting health insurance. A lot of people couldn't obtain health insurance otherwise. Now, you're not quite going to have us by the balls any more. Still, unemployment is high enough that it will be an employers' market for the foreseeable future.

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01 Nov 2013, 7:45 pm

adb wrote:

It's the fear of failure that makes people perform.

There are people who genuinely enjoy their work. Fear only heightens anxiety, which may make it impossible for some people to work at all.

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02 Nov 2013, 12:35 am

ArrantPariah wrote:

adb wrote:

It's the fear of failure that makes people perform.

There are people who genuinely enjoy their work. Fear only heightens anxiety, which may make it impossible for some people to work at all.

some employers don't give a damn about their employees any further than getting their "money's worth" out of them. [in their view] their employees are just cogs in their money-making machine and nothing more.

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02 Nov 2013, 1:53 am

auntblabby wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

adb wrote:

It's the fear of failure that makes people perform.

There are people who genuinely enjoy their work. Fear only heightens anxiety, which may make it impossible for some people to work at all.

And they wonder why they're so vilified in popular culture. Think only of J.R. Ewing in Dallas, among others.

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