10 Feb 2014, 6:27 pm
10 Feb 2014, 6:35 pm
^^^ 
What they also viewed was hilarious,fresh whole rabbit and stuff on David Hasselhoff.
10 Feb 2014, 8:24 pm
01001011 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
01001011 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Fewer guns as a result of draconian gun laws that, as always, disarm *several law abiding citizens and have little to no effect on the ones the law abiding need to protect themselves from?
The same question begging again.
Oh, I'm sure it's been answered over and over, just not what you wanted to hear.
Flawed answer is not really an answer.
Means I don't feel like wasting too much time explaining it again for you after it's already been addressed over and over.
01001011 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
01001011 wrote:
This really just assumes the law have no effect on how criminals get their guns.
Yes, if it's anywhere near as effective as the National Firearms Act then no criminal will ever be able to obtain a gun.
Corrected for you.
They bust people on NFA violations all the time and the law has been in effect for 80 years. What's your goal, to reduce crime or throw people in jail? Well, I can tell you that the effect of what you want will be ineffective.
01001011 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
01001011 wrote:
For example, a national registry and requirement for gun owns to account for their guns from time to time will make the life of a straw buyer much harder.
Yeah, it worked so well in Canada. I'm sure us lawless American hooligans will rush to the gun registration lines.
1) To begin with a straw buyer is not able to buy any new guns, and they normally don't have stock.
2) Base on what you assert the Canadian registry does not stop straw buying?
3) The same systems works for explosives, and substances that can be used as chemical weapons (I am not claiming the system is perfect, but evidently have effect). Just because some so called 'law abiding citizens' don't want to register their guns doesn't invalidate the soundness of the concept.
Did it help Canada's firearm crime issues, aside from creating a new class of criminal by non-compliance after the enactment of the Firearms Act?
01001011 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
01001011 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Domestic violence and murder: Helps to have the means to shoot back. Just ask anybody that's had to defend themselves in such a way. A helluva lot fewer guys are going to beat up their old lady if they know she'll shoot him for it.
Really, this is all common sense.
Really, this is all common sense.
So the victim carries 7/24 and the aggressor never has a gun?
Yeah, that would sure fix their little red wagon, wouldn't it.....
Another good-guy-with-a-gun fairy tale debunked.
Whatever that meant.
01001011 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Ummm, there's really no such thing as "gun violence". There are only violent people performing violent acts using guns as a tool.
The same stupid word game again. "Gun violence" is by definition people performing violent acts using guns as a tool.
The devil is in the details, pal.
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10 Feb 2014, 9:07 pm
LKL wrote:
jonny23 wrote:
LKL wrote:
^ like.
Not libertarian, though.
Not libertarian, though.
What's not libertarian about it?
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Increase the ability of parents to raise nonviolent youth.
State interference in parenting.
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Increase alcohol and drug treatments for parents
State program
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Promote family and the community
state intervention in family and community
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Increase mental health services
Intervene early with at risk youths
Intervene early with at risk youths
State programs
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Strengthen community standards against violence, harassment, aggression, racism, sexism, heterosexism and bullying.
state or national interference with local issues
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meet basic family support needs including income, housing, food and nutrition, prenatal and childcare
Provide housing and care for all youth who cannot live at home
Provide housing and care for all youth who cannot live at home
state programs
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give a sense of purpose to youths
state indoctrination
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teach life and social skills
either state education or state-mandated regulations for private education.
Don't get me wrong: I think that these are all great ideas... but I'm a socialist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
11 Feb 2014, 12:02 am
11 Feb 2014, 3:11 am
sliqua-jcooter wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
"Libertarian socialism (sometimes called social anarchism[1][2] or left-libertarianism)[3][4] is a group of political philosophies that promote a non-hierarchical, non-bureaucratic society without private property in the means of production. Libertarian socialists believe in converting present-day private productive property into common or public goods, while retaining respect for personal property.[5] Libertarian socialism is opposed to coercive forms of social organization. It promotes free association in place of government and opposes the social relations of capitalism, such as wage labor.[6]"
holy s**t, that has a few internal problems and reality problems. That's even more delusional than standard libertarianism.
11 Feb 2014, 6:37 am
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11 Feb 2014, 9:03 am
11 Feb 2014, 7:31 pm
01001011 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Means I don't feel like wasting too much time explaining it again for you after it's already been addressed over and over.
Corrected. Indeed I see no point debunking the same rhetoric again.
Un-corrected. Really, that's kind of childish of you to change people's posts.
01001011 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
They bust people on NFA violations all the time and the law has been in effect for 80 years. What's your goal, to reduce crime or throw people in jail? Well, I can tell you that the effect of what you want will be ineffective.
What I see is the USofA is not awash in destructive devices or automatic weapons, and we don't see every other criminals using these for violent crime. What more can I expect? The fact that you have nothing concrete to say about the NFA is the best proof of my point.
I have no sympathy for those who choose not to comply the law, be it 'real' criminals or just 'good' gun nuts.
When the NFA became law in 1934 (80 years ago) very few people owned the kinds of weapons it governed so compliance was relatively easier to enforce than it would be for ALL the guns and gun owners there are now. So yes, the country would be awash in unregistered firearms. And while cops are chasing their tails going after all the tens of millions of gun owners, who's going to be doing the real police work?
Oh, that's right; to you that IS real police work. What was I thinking?
01001011 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Did it help Canada's firearm crime issues, aside from creating a new class of criminal by non-compliance after the enactment of the Firearms Act?
91 already said there was an immediate reduction of mass shooting in Australia after the new gun law...
It can take decades for these kind of law to take full effect, for the existing illegal weapons and sales network to dry up. For a long term measure it is completely acceptable.
So go back and read my reply to 91.
01001011 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
The devil is in the details, pal.
What details?
The ones you'd ignore even if I bothered to explain them, which I won't.
I'd say this pretty much wraps it up as far as me having any kind of discourse with you in this thread. You and yours have yet to bring one valid argument to this thread and any others on this topic. You've personally sunk to altering people's posts and using the NFA as justification for registering all firearms. You have no regard for law and order, just pushing through your personal agenda.
Let someone else waste their time on you for a while.
11 Feb 2014, 7:47 pm
Misslizard wrote:
Let's just hope one of these does not fall into the wrong hands. 
Having read the articles below, it's hard to imagine something like that ever being offered as a toy. It would have been an awesome thing to have and use, though.
Here's one on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gilbert-Atomic-Energy-Lab-/301094248861?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item461a9da19d
A few articles on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_U-238_Atomic_Energy_Laboratory
http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/atomictoys/GilbertU238Lab.htm
11 Feb 2014, 7:56 pm
Hey raptor, when s**t hits the fan, we should start a qausi-Anarchochristian government, and invade somalia!
Christian Anarchism
If not, and we are forced to submit to the USSRA, there is always Christian Communism...
Christian Communism
11 Feb 2014, 7:59 pm
11 Feb 2014, 8:13 pm
11 Feb 2014, 8:15 pm
LKL wrote:
sliqua-jcooter wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
"Libertarian socialism (sometimes called social anarchism[1][2] or left-libertarianism)[3][4] is a group of political philosophies that promote a non-hierarchical, non-bureaucratic society without private property in the means of production. Libertarian socialists believe in converting present-day private productive property into common or public goods, while retaining respect for personal property.[5] Libertarian socialism is opposed to coercive forms of social organization. It promotes free association in place of government and opposes the social relations of capitalism, such as wage labor.[6]"
holy sh**, that has a few internal problems and reality problems. That's even more delusional than standard libertarianism.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB9rp_SAp2U[/youtube]
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11 Feb 2014, 8:29 pm
After little Billy and Susie have fun with their Atomic lab they can use what they have manufactured with these fun toys.
11 Feb 2014, 9:43 pm
